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Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by ta988 »

mbwgh wrote: post #180
ta988 wrote: post #168

I have been using Kagi for a while now. Something I have noticed recently is that it ignores a lot more of the words in my search queries, I felt the same thing with google over time, it shows results it thinks I want not the things I want.

+"Searching" +"Like" +"This" works for me. Whenever I try this with Google, I can't seem to get it to work though. According to [0], it is not an official search operator anymore. 0 - https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/2466433?hl=en

My problem is that I didn't need to do that and now I have to do it more and more. That also mean I need to do two searches minimum instead of one.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by joshstrange »

I've been using Kagi for a while and I like it more that Google but I can't quite see myself paying for Kagi Assistant. I can't see myself paying for almost any pass-through AI subscriptions, I'd rather just pay for the core AI tool (ChatGPT/Claude).

This field is moving very quickly and since there will always be a lag in getting new features/models into the "wrappers" I'd rather get it from the source.

One random thing I wish Kagi could do is offer a way to promote the "official" website to the top of the search results. I have various up/down rankings applied but when I search for "DataDog" I want their official website at the top of the list, not under SO/Reddit/etc posts. If I'm searching for a problem then yes, I want those sites higher but it's slightly frustrating to have to scroll down 3-5 results to find the main website for a product/service/company. I feel like they should be able to differentiate between "search about X product" vs "X product".

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by jaxr »

I've been trying out the new Android app. I know it's still beta, but it sucks big time. I'm a fan and paying user of kagi, just wanted to point that out in case any kagi developer is reading :)

among other things, it randomly says I have no connectivity in an awful modal, I click to search and the keyboard doesn't open, I hit "enter" to search and nothing happens (I need to tap on the search suggestion). pretty bad so far. will try it again in a couple of weeks to see if there is any progress...

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by guerrilla »

Is there some reason Brave Search isn't more popular on this site? It already has an incredibly helpful assistant built into the search and it's free. I don't even use Brave Browser (long live Firefox!) but I feel like people are sleeping on theur search.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by slipperybeluga »

__jonas wrote: post #128
cube2222 wrote: post #14

To repeat myself from a recent HN thread: I've been using Kagi for a while (almost two years now!) and it's been nothing but excellent! Lenses are very useful (Reddit lens is on every second search), and I personally really like the AI features they are working on. The new more advanced assistant which is able to do searches, which can also be constrained to lenses, and lets you pick an arbitrary model, is excellent,…

I really wanted to like Kagi, I'm onboard with paying for search, but I've had had a big issue with its speed when doing the trial to be honest, am I the only one bothered by this? Perhaps this is because I'm in Europe and it's faster in the US? A search request to Kagi seems to take around two seconds for me (shows as ~1s in the Kagi UI), it just feels really unpleasant compared to Google, I'm used to firing of a co…

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Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by crowcroft »

pjerem wrote: post #185
crowcroft wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, it solves a lot of limitations with LLMs generally struggling with 'niche' topics. Being able to innovate on the search side while everyone else loses a lot of many training LLMs feels like a good space to be in at the moment.

It’s interesting, I feel like LLMs are precisely good with niche topics where search engines are becoming absolutely garbage. But maybe my search topics aren’t niche enough.

I guess it depends on what we define as niche. I'm thinking for coding type problems as an example smaller less well known languages or frameworks that don't have extensive coverage across multiple websites etc tend not to show up well in AI Chat.

If you can focus the chatbot on a specific docs website with a lens though that problem might go away.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by recursive »

protimewaster wrote: post #215
recursive wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but its no big deal to scroll past those For some of us it is. If your search engine's revenue model is based on advertising to its users, their relationship is fundamentally adversarial. This affects all of their decisions, in ways that are sometimes hard to identify. Witness the slow decline of google search result ads. If users are the direct source of revenue, then everyone's interests are aligned. Also, I, and…

I don't think it's necessarily the case that interests are aligned just because users are the direct source of revenue. Many services that rely on users as a direct source of revenue still have interest alignment issues for various reasons. For example, I don't want to log into or provide payment information to my search provider, because I don't want to voluntarily provide personal information. Compared to Kagi, I c…

It's not sufficient, but I'd argue it's necessary.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by mortos »

nolist_policy wrote: post #181
mortos wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a Kagi user and don't have any hard info. But I find DDG frustrating with searches. It tends to do fine enough with technical searches, like software/programming searches that I make. It's other random searches that it often fails with. DDG will fail to find the nuance in my search query, the results will flat out not be what I'm looking for, so as a sibling comment mentioned I'll fall back to using !G with s…

Are you using Tor by any chance? That's the only time I got these captchas.

No Tor, no VPN. Nothing too far out of the ordinary.

I usually search in a private tab, enhanced tracking protection set to strict, uBlock with most default filters enabled.

Oh and a "Google Search Fixer" extension because the make the UI much worse for Firefox. Maybe it's one of my extensions, but DDG never traps me in captcha hell.

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by i80and »

mattl wrote: post #111
dubme1 wrote: post #45

Paid Kagi user here. I REALLY wish Kagi would focus on it's core selling point: search. Building a search engine is hard enough. I use Kagi Search everyday and I am mostly happy with it but the product has a lot of room for improvment. Stop launching new products (browser, summarizer, gpt, assistant) while your core product is still behind the competition in many areas.

The move to AI stuff is why I don’t have a Kagi subscription. I really liked the idea of paying for search. I don’t want to give any money to an AI product.

I for one cancelled my Kagi subscription over this nonsense. I like paying for my search, but the AI "quick answer" integration is dangerously prone to incorrectly cited hallucinations, and I don't want to encourage this kind of irresponsible use of technology

Re: Kagi Assistant

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Post by i80and »

lilyball wrote: post #59
hollowturtle wrote: post #46

What’s the incentive for websites to let Kagi and others indexing content if llms in search show relevant informations right away? Wouldn’t something like perplexity ai making more sense then? Or perhaps better application of llms to search

I haven't used Kagi's Quick Answer very often yet, but when I do, it always cites its sources and I often end up clicking into at least one of the sources to look for more detail or context.

I've seen it cite sources, and then say the opposite of what the citations say

If you're going to use this feature, always check the citations.

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