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Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by thebytefairy »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #101
zelias wrote: post #32

going by Hanlon's Razor, i would guess that this is merely the result of an engineering update that nobody bothered to QA on Firefox rather than a malicious attack on a single browser that isn't _really_ winning market share let's not assume Google malice is _too_ competent

No one bothered to QA the browser with the 4th largest market share? The willful negligence is the malicious.

Wouldn't be surprised. The 4th largest browser is a mere 2.7% of the market. What about the fifth and sixth? If I had to decide how to allocate testing hours, I probably wouldn't put much into the 2.7% vs the top 3 with 88%.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by amanzi »

Kye wrote: post #61

Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23769291

Same here, using Firefox 129.0.2 on Windows 10. uBlock running and I also have Firefox's "Enhanced Tracking Protection" turned up to max.

I did have issues with YouTube recently - I was getting some of the same symptoms described in the Reddit post. But tracked it down to me changing my user-agent to Chrome, which I had forgotten about. This was also causing issues with reCaptcha and Cloudflare-protected sites.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by faaarmer »

danielbln wrote: post #34
mykowebhn wrote: post #27

I have the latest Firefox on Mac OS, and no problems for me. I pay for Youtube Premium, though. I wonder if that makes a difference.

Same here, macOS and premium and can't tell any difference to using YouTube on Chrome.

I use MacOS, Youtube Premium and I can tell a difference in general usability since switching from Chrome to Firefox. Skipping 10 seconds using left and right keys is much slower in Firefox vs Chrome.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by HungSu »

Kye wrote: post #61

Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23769291

What is WOMM?

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by Kye »

HungSu wrote: post #224
Kye wrote: post #61

Not to WOMM, but as a data point, it's working perfectly for me in Firefox on Windows with uBlock Origin. Is this one of those A/B test things where I'll get it eventually? I know the ad bomb rolled out slowly[0] and we know they're looking for a way to foil ad blocking without drawing bad press and regulatory scrutiny. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23769291

What is WOMM?

Works On My Machine

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by aidenn0 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #83

Took a performance benchmark in both Firefox and Brave. Both of them are unusually slow (addons/extensions disabled, fresh profile), but Firefox especially so. Source for the huge render times seems to be desktop_polymer.js, specifically the part that's registering and setting up custom web components. Once the website loads, performance becomes a lot better. My guess is that a Polymer update made Youtube slower for…

Another wild-ass guess is that a lot of garbage may be generated? I had to use an intranet site that was developed on an older version of vue, and that version apparently was a profligate allocator; difference between chromium and firefox was stark.

On an only-slightly-related note, if anyone knows how to use the new firefox profiler when there is no internet access, please point me at it.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by markus_zhang »

MisterTea wrote: post #173
markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

> I probably have ADHD. Very familiar with ADHD and anxiety which is extremely disruptive. I sometimes think its more of a autistic spectrum thing as there is a vivid world of thought in my head I retreat into and the real world. The anxiety part is where the self sabotage comes from as you get bad thoughts stuck in your head which puts fear into you and causes a feed-back loop of doom that leads to depression. That…

Thanks. I can relate. I'm making appointments for tests and therapy as I'm 100% sure whether I have ADHD. I'll also pay it out of pocket.

Thanks for the encouragement.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by lioeters »

Reubachi wrote: post #206
lioeters wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just curious, could you share any memorable video(s) that you saved locally to rewatch? I occasionally save audio, like a song or album, so I can listen without the browser, but rarely video. Last time I did that, it was a Czech animation series from the 1960's called Krtek (The Little Mole). https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpaZrUayzSZmHWvtFR7n3...

Sure, thanks for asking. Mainly hobby things Disney's FastPass, a complicated history -Defunctland: I've shown this one to many many people, K. Perjurer is great great great at storytelling, and the data/analytics behind the FastPass process may get you interested in Theme Parks. The Ultimate Guide To Nuclear Weapons - HypotheticalHistory: He's a credited milblogger who can make a 5 hour video on the logistics of pap…

Thanks! That looks interesting, I made a note of your list and will check them out.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by markus_zhang »

scohesc wrote: post #166
markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

If it helps you at all - you're definitely not alone with this, I'm going through the same "existential crisis" of sorts in my 30s. The internet and the variety of content and dopamine sources are horrible for some people who have ADHD, myself included. So much time wasted last decade going down the rabbithole on Youtube, Wikipedia, video games, etc. with deep regrets of missing out on more important things in life l…

Thanks. I think I'm fine with missing out on networking or other human interaction because I'm pretty awkward with that, even after getting married and a son. But yeah I get your feeling because I do regret missing out other things like growing my careers or focusing on something more meaningful.

I feel that you are not at peace with yourself yet. I can't have that too, maybe for the whole life. I hope eventually you can have peace with yourself.

Actually, the more I read your post, the more I feel that we have the same issues. I had those "ripping the Band-Aid off" moments too, but they never worked for long. I also lack self-control/willpower and fancy about a service that throws me into a prison and forces me to do what I want to focus on.

Re: Starting today, YouTube is almost unusable on Firefox

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Post by markus_zhang »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #192
markus_zhang wrote: post #45

On a side note, I have been reflecting on the impact of modern Internet contents on me for the last 12 years or so. The conclusion is, for whatever the reason, the impact is mostly negative. It would do me a great favor to simply remove Youtube, social media sites and anything similar from my life. I probably have ADHD. I rarely completed any side projects. I'm anxious most if the time, biting my fingers all the time…

My adhd was helped a lot by: Reading about adhd to understand how it impacts your brain and life Reading about coping mechanisms and actually doing them Things everyone hears and never does but it absolutely helps: good diet, exercise, meditation Work on any other mental health issues you have Therapy Lots of trial and error of management methods to see what works Learning to be kind to myself Stopping “I should” sta…

Thanks. I guess eventually I need to be at peace with myself, which I cannot do that. TBH I loathe myself. I can lie to others but I cannot lie to myself. I guess therapy is probably my best resort.
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