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Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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I was a college swimmer, qualified for Olympic Trials in 2012 and 2016. There are absolutely slow and fast pools. It basically comes down to two things: 1. The depth - which is only 7ft in Paris, unusually shallow for a competition pool. 2. The sides. Does the water spill over the sides into the gutters, or smash into a wall and bounce back, creating more chop. A trained eye can see all the swimmers in Paris struggli…

>A lot of this is perception vs. reality,” he said. “If you were to talk to many very accomplished coaches, they would say the pool has to be a minimum 3 meters deep. Most of our research shows that anything over 2 meters is frivolous. … Obviously, some depth is very important. But after a certain point, it's diminishing return. Maybe it's just the swimmers and not the pool as such

I mean, "diminishing effects" - these folks are the absolute apex of swimming struggling for the absolute maximum speed in the water that any person has ever achieved (under the watchful eye of someone with a stopwatch, at least). Small effects don't matter unless you're going for a world record, and then they might.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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That's not a very satisfying explanation because everyone seems to be slow and it's pretty unlikely that everyone has COVID.

Covid is a highly contagious virus that spreads and lingers in the air, and we have athletes in close quarters without any virus control procedures [1] (other than the Olympic organizers providing hand sanitizer [2], which is an odd choice for airborne virus prevention). Given lack of testing and that many countries (including European countries) are seeing Covid surges right now, I think it's highly likely that most…

To be clear, there is no scientific consensus on the term "surge". It is purely editorial, in my view. Iff you believe KFF.org, there trend lines show a sharp fall in the last six months here: https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/global-...

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Ummmm.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Aquatic_Centre

Paris La Défense Arena -- Aquatics (swimming, water polo finals) Paris Aquatic Centre -- Aquatics (water polo preliminaries, diving, artistic swimming)

> Paris Aquatic Centre -- Aquatics (water polo preliminaries, diving, artistic swimming)

Why not have those events at a different temporary facility? Feels like they did not avoid building a white elephant...

>Last Thursday, President Emmanuel Macron inaugurated the Olympic Aquatic Centre, but behind the flashes and smiles of the opening ceremony was a complex story that saw the budget increase by more than €115 million and the number of events reduced.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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This is entirely just my own opinion... I completely understand why you might not want a slow pool in a competition like this, but the emphasis on it being "not ideal for record setting" is weird to me. I guess I just don't understand the constant quest to set better and better records. Do we really always need to be hitting new world records? What's the point of that, why does that need to be a thing? If records lik…

The Olympic committee mandates that new facilities get built for every Olympics, which is partly why the games are so damn expensive everytime. With that in mind though, what is the point of a world event like this if, given the time and resources, we're not going to try and optimize for peak performance for the participants given that for many of them it's the career peak? I'd argue plenty of blame to go around thou…

I guess, at least to me, there's a bit of a difference between "optimizing for peak performance in order to best your opponent(s)" and "expecting to break world records".

/shrug

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It's strange that you would pick on gold connectors. Gold is an excellent conductor and does not corrode in air, so it makes a great plating material. In the quantities needed for plating, it's not too expensive, either. Silver corrodes relatively quickly and is expensive; that's a bad tradeoff against copper, which is much cheaper and nearly as conductive. So: gold-plated connectors on copper wires are extremely com…

> It's strange that you would pick on gold connectors. Gold is an excellent conductor and does not corrode in air, so it makes a great plating material. In the quantities needed for plating, it's not too expensive, either. It’s not strange at all. Gold plating improving quality sounds truthy but is absolutely false. I have yet to read a serious study, at least single blind, showing any meaningful difference. And I ha…

"I reject your reality and substitute my own!"

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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> Gold is an excellent conductor Actually, gold is a worse conductor than both copper and silver, and only a little better than aluminum. > and does not corrode in air This is the real reason for plating contacts in gold. But gold wires would be a bad idea, since they would be worse than both copper and silver wires.

Aluminum is also an excellent conductor.

But also corrodes more than copper, making it unsuitable for household wiring unless special precautions are taken.

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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The pool in Beijing was said to be fast (25 world records broken). But they were also using a now banned swimsuit. https://www.npr.org/2008/08/10/93478073/chinas-olympic-swimm...

The water cube was such an epic pool - extremely deep and the level perfectly flat rather than elliptical. I still have dreams of swimming in it

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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I was a college swimmer, qualified for Olympic Trials in 2012 and 2016. There are absolutely slow and fast pools. It basically comes down to two things: 1. The depth - which is only 7ft in Paris, unusually shallow for a competition pool. 2. The sides. Does the water spill over the sides into the gutters, or smash into a wall and bounce back, creating more chop. A trained eye can see all the swimmers in Paris struggli…

I actually did a fairly lengthy research project on pretty much exactly this as a physics undergraduate - I wasn’t looking at swimming specifically, but rather boundary separation and Reynolds number in an open channel of varying depth. The setup was simple - a constant head vessel to provide a constant but adjustable flow of water in from one end, and a little plastic boat sat in the middle of the channel, attached…

At some (shallow) point, does a 'ground effect' kick in? Or any sort of constructive interference?

Re: Is a 'slow' swimming pool impeding world records?

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Does it manifest directly? The water has had some time to settle when they start.

Yes. An object moving through water is more or less equivalent to water moving around an object, and the moment you cross a boundary condition, be it depth, velocity, viscosity, the phase transition is instantaneous to all intents and purposes. I’d have entire days of experiments screwed up just by the water being slightly too warm or cold, or there being dust, or not enough dust, or sunshine, or… fluid dynamics are…

Yes, but there will be no turbulence at the start of a swimming race.
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