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An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by reaperman »

LoganDark wrote: post #127
reaperman wrote: post #78

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Same, absolutely "stuck" with DataTables. It seems to work well even with comprehensive UI frameworks on top of it like SB Admin Pro. Just super easy to integrate DataTables and has 90% of the features I ever want.

Honestly this doesn't even sound like a particularly bad thing. Sort of like how Houdini has literally no competition whatsoever. Like it's actually hilarious how nothing even comes close. It just works so well that nobody can really hope to ever do better, and there is nearly 0 enshittification happening, so its existing users have no reason to ever switch.

Definitely not a bad thing.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by reaperman »

halfcat wrote: post #213
reaperman wrote: post #78

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Same, absolutely "stuck" with DataTables. It seems to work well even with comprehensive UI frameworks on top of it like SB Admin Pro. Just super easy to integrate DataTables and has 90% of the features I ever want.

”90% of the features I ever want” What’s in the other 10%?

Honestly just UI tweaks to make the density higher, especially for controls. I could do this myself with mostly CSS if I wasn’t incredibly lazy.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by stoperaticless »

rtpg wrote: post #181
funcDropShadow wrote: post #151

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> Here's an example table with 100,000 cells ... > It seems fast on my computer normally (M2 Max), slow but usable when the CPU is throttled down 4x, and too slow after that. But that's a lot of cells. No, it is not a lot of cells in a table. It is something a Windows95 era PC had no problem doing in something like Delphi Builder. And you find it acceptable that it slows down, if an M2 Max throttles down? Even a thro…

> It is something a Windows95 era PC had no problem doing in something like Delphi Builder. I would recommend you actually try this, because it's not as true as you would like to believe. I am very much pro-"make things fast" but let's not pretend that old machines didn't randomly hiccup on things all the time as well.

Well. If it was bearable then, with 2x powerful pc, it should be much better.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by prometheon1 »

wruza wrote: post #195
g15jv2dp wrote: post #123

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> This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either. Good for you, maybe your phone screen is huge. I routinely tap on the wrong element when using HN on mobile. Even on desktop I have to set the zoom level to 1…

4.7" iphone. They enlarge tap regions for tappable elements since forever, so you can’t miss.

You can miss quite easily if there is another tappable element right next to the one you are trying to click

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by pb060 »

Bluestein wrote: post #67

I'd like to think projects like these are somehow signaling a return to well designed but information dense , space saving interfaces ... The amount of bloat, whitespace, extra spacing, "air" and other such waste - starting with (now Google-dead) "Material Design" has been egregious.- (One can dream ...)

I think it started with Apple when switching from OS 9 to OS X, I couldn’t explain it at the time and still feel disappointed with so much waste of expensive screen estate.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by zo1 »

g15jv2dp wrote: post #123
wruza wrote: post #81

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>1. This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either. I agree that accessibility still is the concern, but watching my grandma struggle with her tablet, it's mostly the fact that buttons aren't buttons and ever…

> This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either. Good for you, maybe your phone screen is huge. I routinely tap on the wrong element when using HN on mobile. Even on desktop I have to set the zoom level to 1…

This is why I miss resistive screens on phones where you had to actually use your fingernail or stylus and it bloody worked so well. Instead, everyone wanted to get rid of buttons for screen real estate and make phones "sexy" and screens should "swipe it up and down Iphone mega mega smooth swipe pinch swipe, magic gestures, etc". And then that drove an entire industry and it's direction for two decades after that, now we're all complaining because we let the designers drive functionality and usability.

Either way, mobile browsers do allow one to "zoom" in into the UI for smaller elements, it's just we're all lazy and don't want to do that.

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by Bluestein »

pb060 wrote: post #225
Bluestein wrote: post #67

I'd like to think projects like these are somehow signaling a return to well designed but information dense , space saving interfaces ... The amount of bloat, whitespace, extra spacing, "air" and other such waste - starting with (now Google-dead) "Material Design" has been egregious.- (One can dream ...)

I think it started with Apple when switching from OS 9 to OS X, I couldn’t explain it at the time and still feel disappointed with so much waste of expensive screen estate.

You might very well have a point there.-

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by Bluestein »

zo1 wrote: post #226
g15jv2dp wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is not true. Mobile platforms do help with tapping on small elements. E.g. HN isn't mobile friendly "as is", but I have no issues with tapping any of the links. I've also used Exante mobile trading terminal for some time and had no issues with it either. Good for you, maybe your phone screen is huge. I routinely tap on the wrong element when using HN on mobile. Even on desktop I have to set the zoom level to 1…

This is why I miss resistive screens on phones where you had to actually use your fingernail or stylus and it bloody worked so well. Instead, everyone wanted to get rid of buttons for screen real estate and make phones "sexy" and screens should "swipe it up and down Iphone mega mega smooth swipe pinch swipe, magic gestures, etc". And then that drove an entire industry and it's direction for two decades after that, no…

> Iphone mega mega smooth swipe pinch swipe, magic gestures, etc"

Ghost of Jobs still haunts ...

Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by [deleted] »

amelius wrote: post #77
ricardobeat wrote: post #75

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Information density is a well-established concept in UI design, this experiment is not (just) about performance. This is a great intro to the topic: https://matthewstrom.com/writing/ui-density/

Yes but if your definition of density mattered here, then why did they have to put Svelte in the title? And the Helix tab contains a listbox that doesn't fit on the screen. This is more about performance than about the user.

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Re: An experiment in UI density created with Svelte

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Post by Bluestein »

ra1231963 wrote: post #167
Bluestein wrote: post #67

I'd like to think projects like these are somehow signaling a return to well designed but information dense , space saving interfaces ... The amount of bloat, whitespace, extra spacing, "air" and other such waste - starting with (now Google-dead) "Material Design" has been egregious.- (One can dream ...)

> starting with (now Google-dead) "Material Design" I thought it was still actively developed. Are you saying this has been killed by Google? https://m3.material.io/

I seem to recall an announcement a while back about it having been sunset.-
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