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Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Marsymars »

Wytwwww wrote: post #190
xienze wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We used to regulate air travel. It was a lot more expensive then. I'm not sure this is the gotcha you think it is. Air travel, even in coach, was downright luxury compared to where it is today, and I'm not even talking about in the distant past, I'm talking about 25 or so years ago. Seats are narrower, legroom is practically nonexistent, and the seats only recline like two inches these days. Also almost everything…

Exactly. You can still fly businesses and pay the same price as before, it just became massively more accessible than before,

> You can still fly businesses and pay the same price as before

You can't really though - e.g. 25 years ago you could fly economy from Vancouver Canada to Sydney Australia for $2600. (Inflation adjusted.) You can now do that flight for $1400. Pretty good, but the kicker is that flying business class is now $5300. Even premium economy is $4400. (Prices are all the cheapest I see on Google Flights over the rest of 2024, so some of them are limited to very specific dates.)

Probably the most equivalent price to 25 years ago is basic economy plus paying for a meal, snack, checked bag and selection of an exit row seat, but today's premium economy is probably the most equivalent service level to yesterday's basic economy.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by [deleted] »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #219
hipadev23 wrote: post #162

This will very likely be overturned as it flies in the face of the 9th circuit court decision on HiQ vs LinkedIn. This is in a different circuit, so it'll need to be elevated, but CFAA is absolutely the incorrect tool to be utilized here. [1] https://calawyers.org/privacy-law/ninth-circuit-holds-data-s...

Or the 9ths decision gets overturned...

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

nilamo wrote: post #213
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #208

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> fail to understand how that applies to what I said "<$1 per video transcribed" may be an order of magnitude more expensive.

More expensive than what? And how does that relate to minimum wages? And how does that relate to minimum wages with respect to gig work?

> More expensive than what?

“The average wage in Nigeria is about $25 per day.” Wages in Southern Wyoming are more expensive than that. Gig or minimum is irrelevant.

> how does that relate to minimum wages

Wyoming is subject to the federal minimum wage.

> how does that relate to minimum wages with respect to gig work?

We’re comparing two numbers and observing one of them is bigger.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Marsymars »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #159
mschuster91 wrote: post #151

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> They are not your useragent, they are acting as a reseller: You buy a product from them which they acquire elsewhere, taking a profit in the process. Yeah so what? Why should anyone, be it a private person or a commercial entity, be restricted from buying something and then re-selling it to another person or entity? The only thing I'm willing to accept as a restriction for any kind of legal transaction is a reasona…

flight tickets usually are not a scarce commodity that attracts scalpers If airline ticket resale was as easy as concert tickets, you'd probably see a predatory scalping market develop. Airplane tickets are scarce in that there is limited ability to adjust supply, especially in the short term. If flights to a destination are booked, you can't just throw another plane on the route because the gates are limited and inf…

> If airline ticket resale was as easy as concert tickets, you'd probably see a predatory scalping market develop.

I don't think so, because a predatory scalping market only happens when artists are pricing their tickets below the market rate.

Airlines have so such compunction, so they'd just raise their prices until scalpers no longer had a margin opportunity. Or, to put in another way, airline pricing is already as "predatory" as the most aggressive scalping markets.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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isoprophlex wrote: post #165
piltdownman wrote: post #140

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RyanAir used to fly to Morocco, and it was often cheaper to go Dublin -> Marrakesh than it was to get a plane or train from London to Manchester. Lot of it comes down to individual airports and fees. Part of the reason that RyanAir flies into Buvais rather than CDG or Orly when you fly with them to 'Paris', or that other joke airport they use instead of Berlin.

A pilot friend who flew for ryanair showed me around control tower of Frankfurt Hahn (hint: nowhere near the real frankfurt) some ten years ago. We were shooting the shit with the controllers as a private jet plane came in on the radio, asking permission to land. After some back and forth they discovered this was the fake frankfurt, and eventually didn't come in for landing. That got a good chuckle from everyone...

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Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by Marsymars »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #181
chx wrote: post #178

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I refuse the framing of tech bros exploiting African workers as "Much ballyhooing about neo-colonialism".

Offering locally competitive wages is exploiting? If a company is based in NYC, and has a branch in rural Ohio, are the Ohioans being exploited if they aren't paid as much as their NYC counterparts despite drastically reduced cost of living in rural Ohio?

Well... yes?

If digital widget producers are worth $x to the company, and get paid 0.8x in one location and 0.4x in another location, I'm not sure why I'd regard that as anything other than exploitative.

CoL isn't really related to the market value of labour for remote-capable jobs; it would be similarly exploitative if the company paid childfree people, vegetarians, and basement apartment dwellers less because of their drastically reduced cost of living.

I could see a point for fairness if the salaries were scaled so that average post-CoL savings in different CoL areas were equal, particular within regions (e.g. a country) where people have freedom of movement.

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by jonahhorowitz »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #193
arghwhat wrote: post #119

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And you still regulate it, just differently. The implied conclusion that regulation makes things expensive is wrong, and comparing the air travel market over half a century ago with the market today, and crediting a change made in 1978 for the difference doesn’t make sense. EU air travel is quite regulated with e.g. consumer rights for cash compensation, hotel and food service in case of delay, and yet air travel rea…

Can you cite examples of any industry or niche , anywhere in the world, that was newly regulated, and once regulation tool place, prices materially dropped? Geniuinely curious.

When California re-regulated the wholesale energy markets after the Enron debacle.

Source: https://www.apep.uci.edu/PDF_Research_Summaries/Impact_Of_El...

Re: Ryanair wins screen scraping case against Booking.com in US court ruling

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Post by renewiltord »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #177
gumby wrote: post #171

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Wow! Shows I’m living under a basket.

Those numbers did not answer any of your questions. They are doing significantly better than the main competing travel agent website: https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/BKNG/booking-holdi... https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/EXPE/expedia/marke... What I always find interesting is middlemen businesses that don’t do any of the risky and laborious work, such as operating hotels and airlines and car rental…

That's normal. Information is a very valuable resource. It's often the case that advertising companies can be very profitable while people advertising using them have worse margins.
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