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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by kryogen1c »

burtonator wrote: post #177
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

He got us out of Afghanistan too... this was a huge win and was very risky. Doesn't get enough credit for this one. Agreed on NATO + Ukraine too but I wish they would allow us to strike Russia directly even with NATO equipment.

> He got us out of Afghanistan too... this was a huge win and was very risky. Doesn't get enough credit for this one.

Thats because Trump agreed to get us out of afghaniston. Biden oversaw the absolutely disastrous execution, abandoning untold millions of military equipment in the hands of the taliban.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by energy123 »

purple_ferret wrote: post #88
ahartmetz wrote: post #41

Oof. This guy has been the biggest positive surprise of the US presidents in my lifetime. Expectations were low, but he actually turned out to be a good president (from a European perspective). No new wars, no more talk about shifting defense focus to Asia, generally nothing unreasonable. Good support for Ukraine, no doubts about NATO - rather the opposite. Basically, the rich uncle on the other side of the pond has…

Unfortunately his domestic achievements have been somewhat mediocre. His signature achievements essentially were one time cash payments to people. I really do think his major failure was not pushing for a lasting achievement like implementing federal parental leave. He had the chance, but opted for a 1 year extension of child tax credits. And of course the US has an illegal immigration problem. European right on the…

  "His signature achievements essentially were one time cash payments to people."
Look at the $300bn climate funding in the Inflation Reduction Act and the impact on bringing chip manufacturing onshore with the Chips Act. All this with a nearly divided congress.

Easily the most effective US president of my lifetime.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by babypuncher »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #216
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

how do you measure who is effective?

It's a very tough thing to objectively measure, but one metric we can point to is his ability to push a surprising amount of bipartisan legislation through an incredibly divided congress in just 4 years.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

> Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

On the contrary, the processes that anointed Hillary in 2016 and Biden round 2 in 2024 were exactly the kind of "well, it's this person's turn now" decisions that were bad, anti-democratic (lower-case d) choices previously. I'm not looking for a "circular firing squad" but neither do I think some sort of automatic anointment of Harris is what people want either.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by slashdev »

gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by xcv123 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #216
gumby wrote: post #32

One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

how do you measure who is effective?

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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by energy123 »

trentnix wrote: post #4
skilled wrote: post #2

It’s for the best. The man is not in his best form and he has repeatedly shown that he isn’t. He attempted to rectify the situation since the debate but even those attempts fell short. Let’s see who is going to take the mantle now. /edit: he is endorsing Kamala, https://nitter.poast.org/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933

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He's unsuited to be President for another four years. That doesn't mean he needs to step down right now. It just means he shouldn't run for re-election.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ofcourseyoudo »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #155
moralestapia wrote: post #5

(No intend for this to be a controversial statement) I only want to express my opinion that he (and the Democratic party) took a while to make this decision, to their detriment. Interesting to see who their new candidate is going to be.

To their detriment? I'm not sure. They just had the Republican convention. At that convention, they took a lot of shots at Biden. Now the Democrats say "Wrong target, suckers!" They take over the news cycle from the Republican convention, and they neutralize a huge amount of the talking points from the convention. That could be pretty brilliant. (I mean, it would have been better for Biden to clearly not be running l…

This is actually huge. The Dems now get several cycles of genuine organic interest... Kamala as nominee, then "who will she pick as VP" and the convention will get a lot of natural attention, all getting earned screentime (while pundits and pollsters have a field day of pageviews and engagement).

The media class now has months of things to talk about wrt the Dems. The less screentime Trump gets the better, and his convention is already over and spent zero time attacking the actual candidate.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by energy123 »

caminante wrote: post #35
black_knight wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He can do president duties, while the candidate they choose go around collecting votes.

That's the thing. If he's unfit to serve 6 months from now, then how is he fit to serve now? He didn't endorse Kamala in his letter. We'll see what comes out of the spin cycle this week. e: looks like Biden endorsed Kamala according to other publications

He's unfit to serve another 4 year term. That doesn't mean he's unfit to serve the rest of his current term.
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