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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Maybe ask the Cubans who left the country?

People who leave a country tend to leave it for a reason. If they liked their life in Cuba presumably they would have stayed. They are probably not a neutral source on Cuba.

The hatred towards Cuba by Cuban immigrants is much higher than most other immigrants. This indicates that Cuba is worse than most countries.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Why does the US still have sanctions on them anyway? The missile crisis was 50 years ago. It's time to forgive.

A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

> US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest

I can tell you, not just the US.

See: farmers having an absolute chokehold on the EU despite virtually everyone hating them, and them only being a tiny percentage of population, votes or GDP.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Sorry, but I don’t think families who escaped in those times were exactly just innocent property owners.

Sorry, but that does not matter. If they did anything illegal, they should be prosecuted by and in the country it happened, but you are presuming collective guilt here. That is always, universally, the wrong thing to do.

We are talking about the descendants of the wealthy or dissident people who were escaping the Cuban revolution, where Cuba at the time was largely owned by foreign sugar plantations which was perpetuated by the the brutal military dictatorship of Batista, which was supported by the US government as well as organized crime (and where one ends and the other begins is sometimes unclear…)

It’s a tale as old as time!

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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The US has by far the world’s largest ex-Cuban population (well over 1M people). Those communities are a big part of what shapes US perceptions and policy toward Cuba.

Cuban-Americans telling us what Cuba is like sounds ok to me. From what I've heard, they hate Socialists.

Cuban-Americans are literally revanchists. You might not be getting the straight scoop from this self-selected subpopulation.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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These jobs are low-paying because they're broadly unproductive. If some of them weren't doing these jobs, the wages paid for them at the margin would increase. We are vastly better off importing more skilled immigrants to high-income countries, compared to unskilled ones.

How can you call literally feeding the people “broadly unproductive”? It’s low margin, but you can’t have a society supporting your margins without someone doing the bottom jobs.

Labour productivity has a specific meaning

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Secondary sanctions. If your company trades with Cuba, then companies that want to trade with the US also violate the sanctions by trading with you. So even something as basic as opening a bank account in such circumstances isn't possible, as no bank will cut themselves off from the entire worldwide banking system just to provide you an account.

This is wrong. There are no secondary sanctions against Cuba. Cuba is poor because Cuba is Communist. They can trade with everyone except the United States, if they had anything to trade with. The US sanctions do serve as a wonderful excuse for the Cuban government to blame the poverty they inflict upon their own citizens on the United States. Plenty of gullible people outside the country fall for it as well.

So if I, as an Irish citizen, decided to start a business that traded with Cuba, US companies would have no legal issues doing business with me?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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They are a hostile dictatorship, with zero resources but their oppressed people. Why would USA be interested in allying with them?

Their government is hostile like a friend’s chihuahua. It will make it known it doesn’t like you, but it ain’t going to do anything about it because it can’t. The people on the other hand are truly wonderful human beings that would love to be able to have visitors or visit other countries themselves. Who cares if some politicians feelings get hurt. People want to be free to do what they want in a supposedly free coun…

If you open up trade they will become stronger. Look at China before and after we opened up trade with them. What happens of Cuba becomes more powerful and is still hostile while being so close to the US?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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A bunch of Floridians who are, or are descended from, folks who had their land and businesses seized during the revolution are holding grudges and won’t let go of them until they’re given their stuff back or a ton of money, which, this far on, isn’t happening. Florida is important in Presidential elections. US elections are structured such that dumb stuff like a relatively small—but loud—and also hopeless interest in…

Do you own anything of value? What about your family? Now let's try practicing some empathy: How would you feel if I just took that from you?

Depends; were I or my family aligned or complicit with a military dictatorship?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

Crime among immigrants is largely correlated with unemployment rates. European countries with immigrant crime problems have high unemployment rates, the US does not.

This is not a good explanation without also looking at who is unemployed. In Sweden, the unemployment is low:ish but it is basically non-existent with the natives, but very high among immigrants. So it might be true that crime correlates with unemployment rates, but Sweden does not have a high unemployment.
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