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Re: The Cheapest NAS

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ODroid H-series SBC's are standard Intel CPUs with (at least for the H2+) Linux supported hardware for pretty much everything (haven't tried running X on them though :-P ) they are my favorite 'home server' currently...cheap, standard, and expandable - oh! And SILENT! :-)

They also have this magic feature where they can use ECC with non-ECC RAM, at the cost of some capacity.

Where can I read more about this?

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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I’ve also heard the same advice with Dell/HP SFF PC’s. BTW, your link requires a username/password login.

That's... Odd. I didn't click my own link yesterday after posting, but that was straight from Google and it did load just fine. Now I get the login too. But for completeness sake, another example: https://www.fujitsu.com/global/Images/wp_ESPRIMO_P758_E94.pd...

HN possibly sent too much traffic their way, and someone, somewhere decided to require credentials for access perhaps? :-)

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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My secret protip: old Fujitsu desktop/nuc PCs. At least in Germany (Europe?) they are cheap on ebay since a lot of businesses use them and upgrade on a regular schedule. If you care about power consumption like I do, you can Google "$model energy consumption white paper" which contains very accurate data about idle usage, for example https://sp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/wp-energy... In one case I had a…

I'm looking for a machine like this (affordable, small, low power usage) with 64GB memory. If anyone has any recommendations I'm all ears.

There was this article on lobste.rs yesterday:

https://michael.stapelberg.ch/posts/2024-07-02-ryzen-7-mini-...

Perhaps it can be configured to meet your requirement for "affordable"?

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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What convenient solutions exist for graceful shutdown of a NAS, without data loss or other drama, in case of power outage? It seems a more pressing concern than flipped bits or network failures.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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If you need to add storage to just one computer (at a time), consider just getting a hard drive enclosure. It's much simpler, cheaper, more secure, and faster than a NAS.

You can turn it into a NAS at any time by adding a mini pc or similar.

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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What convenient solutions exist for graceful shutdown of a NAS, without data loss or other drama, in case of power outage? It seems a more pressing concern than flipped bits or network failures.

A filesystem designed to survive sudden power loss? Which is most modern ones right?

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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What convenient solutions exist for graceful shutdown of a NAS, without data loss or other drama, in case of power outage? It seems a more pressing concern than flipped bits or network failures.

The common solution is having an UPS and a NAS that supports graceful shutdown when the UPS detects powerloss

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ODroid H-series SBC's are standard Intel CPUs with (at least for the H2+) Linux supported hardware for pretty much everything (haven't tried running X on them though :-P ) they are my favorite 'home server' currently...cheap, standard, and expandable - oh! And SILENT! :-)

They also have this magic feature where they can use ECC with non-ECC RAM, at the cost of some capacity.

Which ones support ECC?

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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Because they barely do anything. It's like like there's 4TB of RAM in there churning away at multiple databases. It's debatable if you even need it in enterprise servers.

You absolutely, positively, 100% need it on anything that carries data you care about. I personally consider it a hard requirement for a NAS. I don't want to lose data just because a cosmic ray flipped a bit somewhere.

Storing error correcting codes/checksums/signatures and sending them along the data seems like a more cost effective solution. Without those you need to ensure that every single link in the chain supports ECC (and all the hardware works perfectly)

ECC may still be needed for the actual processing, but I don't see a point on having it on a NAS (especially considering you need to send the data over a network to read or write it)

Re: The Cheapest NAS

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I was under the impression, that for most (popular) chip families, like RockChip, Allwinner, Amlogic, some assorted Broadcoms, .. the Mainline linux kernel support has mostly been sorted for, and it's only the stragglers like Hisilicon, Huawei, Most Broadcom, Qualmcomm where mainline support is not on their priority list?

Maybe, but regular distros on x86/x64 thin clients are even more sorted out. GPIOs are better handled through an Arduino clone over USB than with scripts running on inherently laggy desktop OS.

After configuring the vendor uBoot to chainload into a newer uBoot-compile with JustEnoughUEFI compiled in, you can just launch the standard Debian Arm64/UEFI install iso on many/most(?) popular SOCs.

W.r.t. GPIOs, I agree, that delegating that to an e.g. Arduino connected via USB/UART or one of the available internal(often RTC), or external(HDMI/VGA) I2C connections as an I2C slave is the preferred solution.

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