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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by jchw »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

I don't have much to add here, just wanted to say that I think this is a tremendous gift to the Internet that we loved. It would suffice to say that after many hard reality checks I don't really feel like there are any browser vendors that feel like good stewards of the open web, and it seemed like a new browser that actually managed to break out would be infeasible... until Ladybird showed up. And now, I'm typing this reply in Ladybird.

Of course, it has a long way to go before it is going to be a good daily driver, but I truly believe this is the beginning of something great. I've been consistently surprised by what works, and the rate of improvement is staggering at times.

My question: Has anyone given any thoughts regarding the stance to take with DRM features, e.g. Widevine/Encrypted Media Extensions? It seems like since our previous stewards of the open web didn't care enough, now making a browser with substantial marketshare without this may be hard. Seems like a hard problem, I really do wonder where Ladybird will stand if it continues on its current lightning fast trajectory.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by hipinspire »

awesomekling wrote: post #119
hipinspire wrote: post #85

It is a great honor to see a website I designed and coded at the top of the Hacker News front page! A big thank you to Chris Wanstrath for allowing me to work on it. I hope Ladybird becomes a mainstream browser, and I feel this is a moment similar to when Firefox rebranded from Phoenix. P.S. Check out my UI/UX portfolio at https://hipfolio.co

Thank you for making the website! :)

Thank you, Andreas! Keep up the great work!

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Post by ohmyiv »

mronetwo wrote: post #39

Nitpick (or is it?) but the website is soulless and just bad. The website design communicates that this is just another immature project, desperately looking for a VC funding, just following modern design trends where "design == aesthetics". Yuck. I am happy to see the project thrive.

> Nitpick (or is it?)

We're all nitpicking no matter what our thoughts are on the design. I have my own thoughts on the design, but I'm more excited about the product than to put any more care in what the website looks like. It's easy enough to ignore and doesn't have an effect on the product.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by cfiggers »

FireInsight wrote: post #114

I think people in this comment section are too harsh on the website. I think the design is pleasing and functional, and the project is communicated about clearly. The AI laptop is a bit of a shame, and the logo being bland instead of clever is a bummer, though. But plenty of products have a similar front page style, and it doesnt make me feel like it's a soulless startup.

I actually really like the logo. It's a simple, mathematically-defined curve that also resembles an abstract ladybird opening its wings. You don't find that clever?

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Post by guappa »

flykespice wrote: post #198
enriquto wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (...) switch to a less permissive license. License "permissiveness" is a relative concept. From the point of view of the users of your software, the GPL is more permissive than MIT, since they have permission to see the source code. If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.

That is a complete nonsensical claim & willful attempt at spreading misinformation: Permissive licenses doesn't grants you less freedom than GPL, infact it grants you more because the user also has the freedom to modify source code without being enforced to make it public. Companies copying the codebase to their propietary ones won't automatically strip right of users, licenses don't work like that, the original code…

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Post by hipinspire »

marvinborner wrote: post #147
hipinspire wrote: post #85

It is a great honor to see a website I designed and coded at the top of the Hacker News front page! A big thank you to Chris Wanstrath for allowing me to work on it. I hope Ladybird becomes a mainstream browser, and I feel this is a moment similar to when Firefox rebranded from Phoenix. P.S. Check out my UI/UX portfolio at https://hipfolio.co

It's really rare to see websites that look modern while still being very minimal and fast. No JS, no frameworks - great job!

Thank you! Coming from an OS developer, it's a great honor!

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Post by guappa »

paulcole wrote: post #183
pferde wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. This is something I could see myself contributing to (or attempting to, anyway), but as soon as I saw Discord+Github, I lost all interest. Github I can understand to some extent, it's a convenient temporary staying place until they can afford, community-wise, to move to something truly open, but Discord? In this day and age?

> but Discord? In this day and age? What’s your recommended alternative?

discuss?

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Post by paddim8 »

criddell wrote: post #143
ykonstant wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the unique value proposition of Ladybird. It uses the open standards as the jumping point, investigates and de facto documents the divergence of modern browsers from them. It is a precious and important work.

How is knowing where the published standards diverge from de facto standards precious and important work? You say that's where the value is, but the subset of people and organizations who would pay for that (if it's valuable, people will pay, right?) has to be pretty small.

It makes it much easier to build new engines in the future. Even if only a few people are interested in this knowledge, they can make a big impact with the software they write.

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Post by hipinspire »

johnsea wrote: post #200
hipinspire wrote: post #85

It is a great honor to see a website I designed and coded at the top of the Hacker News front page! A big thank you to Chris Wanstrath for allowing me to work on it. I hope Ladybird becomes a mainstream browser, and I feel this is a moment similar to when Firefox rebranded from Phoenix. P.S. Check out my UI/UX portfolio at https://hipfolio.co

It's beautiful! -- Cool that Chris Wanstrath gives massive support to this project (financial and (most likely) time).

Thank you very much! That is right!

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Post by bradley_taunt »

Love the project, but that website is pretty cold and soulless (as mentioned by others).

I quickly put together a "cleaner" design for anyone interested, which also uses the original (and objectively better) logo:

https://ladybird-dev.netlify.app/

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