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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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If it were $10, we might have a conversation. I paid for my full version of 1Pass way back when, and upgraded all the way through to v7. It was a one time fee and used until they broke it. I never said refused to pay for it, but a monthly fee in perpetuity is just ridiculous to me.

I'm still on v7, what did they break?

They disabled autofill in the Firefox/Chrome extensions and won't provide an older version that worked or even a download of the 1P7 app.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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> Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robber It would be. Fortunately, 1Password doesn’t do that [1]. You’re paying for an important piece of software to be maintained. > I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this Probably not. Emphasis on attitude. [1] https://support.1password.com/frozen-account/

This entire assumption that I'm a freeloader is absolute bullshit. I've bought and paid for my copies of 1Password and have even purchased it for others. You can take that freeloader name calling and shove it right back in the place you found it. I'm quite frankly tired of it. We can have upgrades and working software that gets updates without monthly fees to do it. I also do not need their cloud and only features. T…

> assumption that I'm a freeloader

Where did I or OP say this?

> can have upgrades and working software that gets updates without monthly fees to do it

It’s a bad financial model.

> intentionally removed the local vaults

This is a valid disagreement.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

I don’t really understand this kind of comments that complain without any specifics. Worse how? I use two family subscriptions and a corporate one for many years and haven’t noticed any regression in functionality or UX. They release time to time minor quality of life improvements and continue supporting modern platforms. 1P7 to 1P8 upgrade went without any problems on all platforms I use. IMO this is the best passwo…

For me, I paid full price for the app. I attached many important documents such as my ID, SSN Card, my original birth cert, even the deed to my house. If I pass my wife knows where to get this info.

When my son was born I went to add his birth cert and SSN. I couldn’t. The “attach file” button is still there but it simply doesn’t work any more.

After hours of troubleshooting I finally found a discussion on their own support form where they acknowledged they explicitly disabled this feature. The solution is to switch to a paid subscription.

I’ll never buy software from them again. That’s just one example. They’ve removed similar functionality from cloud sync services to compel users to buy a subscription.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Besides the web client,

https://cider.sh exists and is in various distro package managers already too.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Again with this made up concept that I wanted a pay once notion. I kept upgrading with their releases until they went SaaS and removed the ability to store the data locally. If they continued to offer local storage with paid upgrades, I'd continue paying and using. They don't, so I'm not.

I just checked it on my device in airplane mode: everything is available locally and new records can be added. What do you mean saying you cannot store the data locally?

with v8, there are no more local vaults stored on my machine with other devices syncing via WLAN. it's all cloud accounts or bust

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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I wasn’t expecting this much hate towards 1Password in the comments. I was using Google Passwords, then migrated to Apple, finally to 1P7 and now 1P8. It’s one of the best software I’ve ever used and I don’t know what I’d do without it. Same goes for Fastmail as well.

1password has progressively gotten worse every year for the past 5-10. 1password team if you are reading this, please stop making your software worse. Search which was great for years is now terrible and has jumbled results. Some software should just be considered "done" and never changed again. 1Password is one of those things.

I completely disagree. Yeah, the launch of 1PW8 was rocky. They didn't have feature parity on some devices (iOS). I waited a good while to update and when I did I had an issue with my Yubikey, so I went back to 1PW7 on iOS, but it was fantastic on macOS--way better than 7. After a short while, they fixed the Yubikey login issue with 8 on iOS and I have had exactly zero issues on macOS or iOS since, for about a year(ish).

Another data point: my 85 year old mother used to have issues with 7. She'd get confused about things. With 8, it's been clear sailing for her. That's pretty impressive to me.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Sadly, proly not till next year. I'm funding this myself and hardware is hard. Embedding it into a case has a whole lotta mechanical engineering challenges as well. The desktop and tablet version will be released this year though.

I'd be interested in the phone version just for the keyboard. Closest I've seen is https://www.clicks.tech/ but I do not have an iPhone.

Yeah, I miss the real physical keyboards. I started with the Palm Treo smart phone in 2001 and stuck with Palm till they died. Better even than blackberry keyboards.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

It's more platform lock-in and it leverages their market position. Unabashed monopolism. Completely unchastened by recent lawsuits.

Except for the fact that you can import from and export to other password managers using built-in functions. That kind of kills the whole lock-in vibe.
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