Hmm the real question is: Will you be warned when sending information to someone who has Recall on? Kinda defeats the purpose of all those confidential communication apps when everything is automatically screenshotted.
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Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
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Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#222It is puzzling to me that so many people seem to think this concept has no value. To me the concept is obviously good and something I have wanted for a long time. Of course the security of the implementation is important and I agree with some of the criticism there. But I see a lot of people arguing that the feature is worthless, or that it doesn't make sense at the OS level, or that Microsoft specifically should not…
> It is puzzling to me that so many people seem to think this concept has no value. To me the concept is obviously good and something I have wanted for a long time.
The issue is not that the concept has no value. The issue is that the risks and drawbacks are so severe, that they override any value the concept would have.
It's like asbestos, or leaded fuel; these have several useful properties, but their drawbacks are bad enough that they have been banned in many places.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.
I think they actually did consider that - that's why they emphasized it was all on device. They thought about it, they just didn't think about how little we would trust that promise.
I'm perplexed that anybody thinks Microsoft were being dumb. They know exactly what they are doing and putting the pieces in place to violate users' security is the point.
Theyre just boiling the frog slowly. It'll be turned on by default soon enough and then theyll start looking for excuses to upload it.
This can be used to make them a shedload of money one day.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#224What makes my blood boil is that they are just going to keep pulling shit like this which they KNOW everyone (with zero exceptions) intensely HATES, and it's up to everyone to push back ferociously (very high threshold) every damn time. It's up there with "not now" instead of "get rekt and never ask me again" choices in terms of user-antagonism. I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on t…
> I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on the whole :/
Have you given Linux a try? Unless you have an Nvidia card or an Adobe workflow; it is usually good. The Nvidia issue may go away in a year.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#225What’s funny to me in all of this is I’m pretty sure regular windows search is still really bad and I haven’t heard them mention the feature “search for a file on your pc you know exists”.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your browsing history is unlikely to contain personal information, secrets, porn images etc. And if you use Chrome, they get your full browsing history by default. I get your point, but Microsoft's Recall can capture anything onscreen - emails, personal info, porn, passwords and the like. And it feels, bizarrely for 2024, that little thought has gone into privacy or security.
> that little thought has gone into privacy or security. I think the thought is proportional to the amount of thought a non-tech customer will put into it. Nobody seems to care about or understands privacy these days. Everyone knows they're being tracked everywhere they go physically and on the web. People use their real names, address, etc for every junk service they sign up for, without seeing any reason not to. If…
It's how it's always been, always.
Many here may be too young to remember when many consumer products came with a "product registration" card. This was basically a postcard that asked for all sorts of information, such as your name, address, phone number, birthdate, sex, SSN, marital status, annual income, interests, other products owned, whether you own or rent your home, etc.
People willingly filled these out and sent them in. All the info went into databases that were merged with other sources and traded around various marketing agencies on 9-track tape reels. Advertisers could get mailing lists segmented by age, sex, income level, geographical region or specific zip codes, etc. for their campaigns.
It's all much more pervasive and invisible now, but it's basically what has always been done.
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#227What makes my blood boil is that they are just going to keep pulling shit like this which they KNOW everyone (with zero exceptions) intensely HATES, and it's up to everyone to push back ferociously (very high threshold) every damn time. It's up there with "not now" instead of "get rekt and never ask me again" choices in terms of user-antagonism. I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on t…
I'm glad that it's shining a light on the reality of Windows 11 as a subscription and data collecting vehicle.
If you still hate Windows least, that's almost certainly because it's what you know best. I work with Windows, Linux, and OSX on a daily basis and Windows is easily the most user-hostile of the three.
Edit: All you know -> What you know best
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#228What makes my blood boil is that they are just going to keep pulling shit like this which they KNOW everyone (with zero exceptions) intensely HATES, and it's up to everyone to push back ferociously (very high threshold) every damn time. It's up there with "not now" instead of "get rekt and never ask me again" choices in terms of user-antagonism. I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on t…
>I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on the whole :/
Would you like to share what you like about windows that you don't have on other operating systems, or what puts you off about other OSes? Not trying to be passive aggressive, just curious
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#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
No reason to use SteamOS, it's just immutable Arch with an A/B partition scheme. Modern SteamOS is designed specifically for the Steam Deck and they only ship it as a recovery image for the Deck. You can install Steam on whatever distribution you want, I use the Flatpak, and just enable Proton in the compatibility settings.
And if someone’s after that console-like functionality, ChimeraOS is the right choice in this area. It behaves like SteamOS, but is more compatible with PC hardware.
Ok awesome suggestions.
I got set on SteamOS as i was contemplating buying an SBC with similar hardware and giving it a custom case.
But this looks better!
Re: Microsoft will switch off Recall by default after security backlash
#230What makes my blood boil is that they are just going to keep pulling shit like this which they KNOW everyone (with zero exceptions) intensely HATES, and it's up to everyone to push back ferociously (very high threshold) every damn time. It's up there with "not now" instead of "get rekt and never ask me again" choices in terms of user-antagonism. I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on t…
> I'm aware that other OSes exist, but I happen to hate Windows least on the whole :/ Have you given Linux a try? Unless you have an Nvidia card or an Adobe workflow; it is usually good. The Nvidia issue may go away in a year.
What do you mean about NVIDIA? I find their drivers have become pretty good. Especially so if you're using them with containers.