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Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by thebdmethod »

lightyrs wrote: post #191
edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

It tickles me to see a post on Hacker News decrying the ethical issues of creating a UI for a torrent tracker. If this attitude had prevailed 50 years ago, we wouldn't have Apple. This is Hacker News.

Yea, if Steve Jobs hadn't played around with Blue Boxes, where would we be?

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by icebraining »

watsix wrote: post #213
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

Using drugs, "facilitating underage drinking" and even jaywalking are quite a bit different than stealing. You say you "don't steal (physical things)" as if that makes it ok, but you are stealing. It's a different form of stealing, but you do steal, you lack empathy for the act, and you are usually hurting the creators of that material in one way or another. Even today, there are societies where it is "socially accep…

"Stealing", as you call it, doesn't "hurt the creators of the material" any more than simply not buying does. In fact, if anything it helps:

    Among Canadians who engage in P2P file-sharing, our results
    suggest that for every 12 P2P downloaded songs, music purchases
    increase by 0.44 CDs. That is, downloading the equivalent of
    approximately one CD increases purchasing by about half of a CD.
http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ippd-dppi.nsf/vwapj/IndustryCan...

You may say it's still wrong - and that's a valid opinion, 'though I don't share it - but "hurting the creators" is just false.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by Agart »

watsix wrote: post #213
laughinghan wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll bite. Why do you think this "clearly unethical"? I don't think it's clear at all. Everyone I know pirates movies, TV shows, and music. Everyone I know also jaywalks. I also know people who use drugs illegally, as well as participate in or facilitate underage drinking, and I don't have a problem with any of it. Are these unethical? Someone clearly thought so. Do I care? You know what the truth is, for me, and eve…

Using drugs, "facilitating underage drinking" and even jaywalking are quite a bit different than stealing. You say you "don't steal (physical things)" as if that makes it ok, but you are stealing. It's a different form of stealing, but you do steal, you lack empathy for the act, and you are usually hurting the creators of that material in one way or another. Even today, there are societies where it is "socially accep…

How is it stealing if you're not taking anything away from anyone?

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by nddrylliog »

lucaspiller wrote: post #180
nddrylliog wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Not based in the US: check - Not hosting any infringing content: check - DMCA-compliant: check - Not selling anything: check - Not doing ads, not tracking you [1]: check - Not trying to sell your data elsewhere: check Lawyers will handle the rest. We're not interested in piracy, just very very good UI/UX. Stay tuned. [1] We use Gaug.es and Piwik with IP fuzzing. They provide enough high-level metrics so that we can…

What is your revenue model, how do you plan on paying said layers?

Very good friends, (less controversial) start-ups, that's about it.

movies.io is just a hobby.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by tptacek »

edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

You said something a long time ago that has stuck with me:

If you're willing to compromise your morals on something small, where will you ever draw the line?

I agree, this is sad.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by koala_advert »

runn1ng wrote: post #200

I don't like it that much. Yes, it's deadly simple, but what I actually like on sites like PirateBay or demonoid is the discussion below the torrent. Yes, it is sometimes idiotic and distracting, but if it's bad quality/a different movie/contains a virus, someone will mention that. With your website, I have no clue at all what I am downloading. What is the format? How is the quality? Is it nuked? Is it DVDrip/camrip/…

This is the reason I won't be using it. I have a TPB Firefox search bar that I can type a movie title into, then press enter and get results that are sorted by most seeders. I then open a few of the top torrents and read the comments on them. Movies.io is pretty but I need to know what I'm downloading.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by yason »

edw519 wrote: post #79

I don't know which I feel saddest about: 1. Whether or not this is actually illegal, it is clearly unethical and not in the spirit of good clean business and technology practices we should all be aspire to. 2. That it quickly made it to #1 on Hacker News. 3. That I seem to be one of the few who cares while most others nit on details.

Conversely, I would say that (within current laws) it is clearly illegal but it remains unclear as to why would it be unethical.

I kind of correlate bits with thoughts. Contrary to what some shady associations try to claim, you can't possibly cause conclusive harm to anyone by merely copying bits any more than by thinking about illegal things.

Digital copies also obey the same law that thoughts do: you either keep them to yourself or let it out to the whole world. There's no middle point where you could selectively share your thoughts with certain people but prevent them from sharing them further. And last I checked, "ideas are worthless"; it's the execution (into a physical realm) that matters. Ditto with digital copies.

I've been arguing for a while that the best internet breakthrough and source of income for MAFIAA would be to pay Piratebay to add a "Pay" button to their service. And to others' torrent search engines. Just sell licenses to movies and music and let people get their data in whatever format they feel like.

Re: Show HN: movies.io — torrent search like it should be

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Post by [deleted] »

runn1ng wrote: post #216
nddrylliog wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Power users are not well served with this version of movies.io Results are usually "pretty good", but that's nowhere satisfying for a connoisseur such as yourself. We're working on that though, but we'd much rather have people talking about the movie than about the torrent. A movie is art, it's emotions, stories, parts of our childhood. Much more interesting than a bitrate, a codec, a PSNR level.

That last part is true - and it's evident from your application that you give more weight to the movie than to the technical details. And it's good, in a way. But in my opinion, even to a less powered user, it's still important to know if he is going to watch a DVD-rip or a russian-dubbed camrip.

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