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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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Kagi is simply reselling google search results.

They do more than that: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

Then why does kagi have the same artificially-massive github boost that google does and no other engine (bing, duckduckgo) does?

They're just reselling google searches. With maybe 1% salted in from elsewhere for deniability.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

Kagi is the same garbage as google in my niche. Even worse, maybe. It looks like it's weighing backlinks and SEO garbage even higher. Well done. I don't know how people keep talking about it. The results, as you say, speak for themselves.

Well, don't use it then.

I am happy for alternatives, otherwise I guess Kagi wouldn't improve so fast in areas I care about.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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If there are really 14,000 attributes, most of them will have a weight near 0, thus are irrelevant. If they would be all heavy weighted, the ranking would be rendered irrelevant due to the sheer amount of attributes.

Yes, this makes sense. I think the only good thing from the leak for Google is that the scoring values are not present

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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They do more than that: https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...

Then why does kagi have the same artificially-massive github boost that google does and no other engine (bing, duckduckgo) does? They're just reselling google searches. With maybe 1% salted in from elsewhere for deniability.

Because that is what most of us prefer?

Or at least I thought so?

But with Kagi you can always lower github results if you want to. Or boost other sites that you prefer.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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As a user of Kagi and search.marginalia.nu I can tell you: Quite a bit. So much that now that I have what "everyone" asked Google for for years - that is blacklists - I hardly use them. Why? Because with Kagi I get much better results out of the box. I am fairly sure Googlers will tell me there are multiple safeguards to prevent the inclusion of Google ads from affecting ranking, to which I just have to say that the…

I actually use pinning, blocking and raising/lowering the value of individual sites every day. I wish this is the direction search engines went in the first place and it's the direction I hope Kagi continues. I want a personalized search engine that's personalized by me, not by a company trying to profile me and make money off of my clicks.

When each user can personalize the results themselves, you make SEO completely impractical because they can no longer target a single monolithic algorithm controled by one entity. Websites would actually have to have organic appeal to users, who get the final say to hide away bad sites from the results page (looking at you, Quora, Pinterest, and Fandom).

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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> Successful clicks matter. I wonder about this. If I click a link and read it and I find that it's garbage (e.g. got ranked based on SEO rather than useful content) does it count as a successful click? Worse yet, some of these sites have blatant errors that are only discovered after examination. This is relative to technical subject matter. Other searches, such as shopping may not suffer this kind of problem (or I h…

Once you get to the top 1-3 results, CTR (click through rate) is a much bigger ranking factor. Google knows how long people stay on pages and whether they click and back out immediately. This is important for E-Commerce, because Google doesn't want Site #1 to be mostly out of stock even though they have better links.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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post #214

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Kagi is the same garbage as google in my niche. Even worse, maybe. It looks like it's weighing backlinks and SEO garbage even higher. Well done. I don't know how people keep talking about it. The results, as you say, speak for themselves.

Well, don't use it then. I am happy for alternatives, otherwise I guess Kagi wouldn't improve so fast in areas I care about.

I won't use it. I am pushing back on your belief that it has figured something out about anything, because to me it looks like Kagi takes Google's results and then makes them worse. I have total shit ranking #1 on Kagi and Google. On other pages I am struggling to break into the top 10 where I should be right under wikipedia in a just world.

I think many people whose lives don't revolve around these things (as in your finances/mortgage are not dependent on google search) get weird magical views about search engines where it's sorta like a modern delphic oracle where the magic works as long as you believe in it. Of course I have the opposite problem where Google is angry chthonic god to be supplicated/scorned.

Oh well, I do know I will not be worshipping a new god that cannot even destroy the abominations sitting at the top of the rankings.

Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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FYI, it's much easier to read the linked GitHub code via the published docs at https://hexdocs.pm/google_api_content_warehouse/0.4.0/api-re...

In particular, https://hexdocs.pm/google_api_content_warehouse/0.4.0/Google... Notably, for people on HN, it looks like there is indeed an internal initiative to promote small personal blogs :-) > smallPersonalSite (type: number(), default: nil) - Score of small personal site promotion go/promoting-personal-blogs-v1

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Re: Anonymous Source Shared Leaked Google Search API Documents

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You mean a world where people still knew how to use a library catalog, still relied on more than one source of information and curious crazy tid bits are still out there? The internet is boring. And the trash is still there. Its just become reputable instead.

There's a lot to unpack here... Can you expand on how a card catalog improved the world? As a kid I used the card catalog a lot, both the physical version and the later electronic versions. Full text search definitely leads to pulling in information from a wider selection of sources. I remember a lot of stratification of news sources pre-Google (which news channel you watched, which papers/magazines you read). Did Go…

> how a card catalog improved the world

i was lamenting the library recently and remembered how books were organized on shelves using the dewey decimal system

this meant that if you knew of one book that has something you're looking for, you can find all the _other_ books about the same topic right next to the first book, even if you knew nothing about the contents of the related books

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