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Post by Xenoamorphous »

typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

It’s tiring. Same thing happened to the GPT-4o announcement yesterday. Apparently because there’s no unquestionable AGI 14 months after GPT-4 then everything sucks.

I always found HN contrarian but as I say it’s really tiring. I’ve no idea what the negative commenters are working on on a daily basis to be so dismissive of everybody else’s work, including work that leaves 90% of the population in a combination of awe and fear. Also people sometimes forget that behind big corp names there are actual people. People who might be reading this thread.

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Post by piloto_ciego »

typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

I think it’s fear. Maybe not openly, but people are spooked at how fast stuff is happening, so shitting on progress is a natural reaction.

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Post by [deleted] »

TIPSIO wrote: post #115
popcar2 wrote: post #46

Not nearly as impressive as Sora. Sora was impressive because the clips were long and had lots of rapid movement since video models tend to fall apart when the movement isn't easy to predict. By comparison, the shots here are only a few seconds long and almost all look like slow motion or slow panning shots cherrypicked because they don't have that much movement. Compare that to Sora's videos of people walking in rea…

Objectively speaking (if people would be honest with themselves), both are just decent at best. I think comparing them now is probably not that useful outside of this AI hype train. Like comparing two children. A lot can happen. The bigger message I am getting from this is it's clear OpenAI won't have a super AI monopoly.

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Post by KorematsuFredt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
rvz wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to give Google credit as they went against the OpenAI fanatics, Google doomsday crowd and some of the permanent critics (who won't disclose they invested in OpenAI's secondary share sale) that believe that Google can't keep up. In fact, they already did. What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already. The top comments around Sora vs Veo suggesting that Google was falling behind, given the…

> What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already I don’t think I’ve seen serious criticism of Google’s abilities. Apple didn’t release anything that Xerox or IBM couldn’t do. The difference is they didn’t. Google’s problem has always been in product follow through. In this case, I fault them for having the sole action item be a buried waitlist request and two new brands (Veo and VideoFX) for one u…

> Google’s problem has always been in product follow through.

Google is large enough to not care about small opportunities. It ends up focusing on bigger opportunities that only it can execute well. Google's ability to shut down products that dont work is an insult to user but a very good corporate strategy and they deserve kudos for that.

Now, coming back to the "follow through". Google Search, Gmail, Chrome, Android, Photos, Drive, Cloud etc. all are excellent examples of Google's long term commitment to the product and constantly making things better and keeping them relevant for the market. Many companies like Yahoo! had a head start but could not keep up with their mail service.

Sure it has shut down many small products but that is because they were unlikely to turn into bigger opportunities. They often integrated the best aspect of those products into their other well established products such as Google Trips became part of search and Google Shopping became part of search.

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Post by cosmotron »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #195
localfirst wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI) and platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder after all. So of course you are going to see snarky comments and straight up denial in the competition. We saw that yesterday in the comments with the release of GPT4o in anticipation of Gemini…

> platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder I don’t know if there is a sentiment analysis tool for HN, but I’m pretty sure it’s been dead negative for Altman since at least Worldcoin.

Something in this vein was just posted here a few days back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40307519

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Post by psbp »

mattgreenrocks wrote: post #60
inasio wrote: post #34

From a 2014 Wired article [0]: "The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today" I can see more real-world impact from this (and/or Sora) than most other AI tools [0] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/

This is very noticeable. Watching movies from the 1970s is positively serene for me, vs the shot time on modern films often leaves me wonder, "wait, what just happened there?" And I'm someone who is fine playing fast action video games. Can't imagine what it's like if you're older or have sensory processing issues.

My brain processes too slow for modern action movies.

I can tell what's going on, but I always end up feeling agitated.

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Post by scarmig »

localfirst wrote: post #196
rvz wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to give Google credit as they went against the OpenAI fanatics, Google doomsday crowd and some of the permanent critics (who won't disclose they invested in OpenAI's secondary share sale) that believe that Google can't keep up. In fact, they already did. What OpenAI announced was nothing that Google could not do already. The top comments around Sora vs Veo suggesting that Google was falling behind, given the…

Don't forget SORA edited their "ai generated" videos while Google did not here. Where did SORA get all its training videos from again and why won't the executives answer a simple Yes/No question to "Did you scrape Youtube to train SORA?" Google attorneys want to know.

Google does not care to start a war where every company has to form explicit legal agreements with every other company to scrape their data. Maybe if they got really desperate, but right now they have no reason to be.

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Post by joshuahedlund »

inasio wrote: post #34

From a 2014 Wired article [0]: "The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today" I can see more real-world impact from this (and/or Sora) than most other AI tools [0] https://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/

How many of those 2.5 second "shots" are back-and-forths between two perspectives (ex. of two characters talking to one another) where each perspective is consistent with itself? This would be extremely relevant for how many seconds of consistent footage are actually needed for an AI-generated "shot" at film-level quality.

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Post by pelorat »

tauntz wrote: post #179

Uh.. First it tells me that I can't sign up because my country is supported (yay, EU) and I can sign up to be notified when it's actually available. Great, after I complete that form, I get an error that the form can't be submitted and I'm taken to https://aitestkitchen.withgoogle.com/tools/video-fx where I can only press the "Join our waitlist" button. This takes me to a Google Form, that doesn't have my country in…

We can blame the EU AI act and other regulations for that.

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Post by baobabKoodaa »

localfirst wrote: post #180
typpo wrote: post #114

The amount of negativity in these comments is astounding. Congrats to the teams at Google on what they have built, and hoping for more competition and progress in this space.

We have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI) and platform is going to favor its own and be aware that Sam Altman is the golden boy of YC's founder after all. So of course you are going to see snarky comments and straight up denial in the competition. We saw that yesterday in the comments with the release of GPT4o in anticipation of Gemini…

> We have to take account that this community (good chunk have stakes in YC and a lot to gain from secondary shares in OpenAI)

You have to be pretty deep inside your own little bubble to think that even more than a 0.001% of HN has "stakes in YC" or "secondary shares in OpenAI".

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