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Re: Firefox search update

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Post by beretguy »

Marsymars wrote: post #178
beretguy wrote: post #68

I’d rather they make Firefox subscription based. I’d rather pay $5 a month and have no ads or tracking of any kind. They can even run a separate fork of Firefox or something for this purpose. If Firefox goes down Google will lock internet behind a DRM and we gonna need another rms or Torvalds to deliver us from this hell. Can you imagine a world without Linux, with Windows and Mac pretty much the only mainstream alte…

Paid web browsers have been tried... Opera and OmniWeb probably the most notable examples, and it just doesn't seem like there's a workable market there.

Yeah, but I don’t think we had Google trying to lock internet behind a DRM at the time.

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by beretguy »

xnyan wrote: post #190
beretguy wrote: post #68

I’d rather they make Firefox subscription based. I’d rather pay $5 a month and have no ads or tracking of any kind. They can even run a separate fork of Firefox or something for this purpose. If Firefox goes down Google will lock internet behind a DRM and we gonna need another rms or Torvalds to deliver us from this hell. Can you imagine a world without Linux, with Windows and Mac pretty much the only mainstream alte…

>Windows and Mac pretty much the only mainstream alternative That's not the world we live in today?

We have Linux to choose from. Imaging we didn’t have that option.

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by mdaniel »

roughly wrote: post #116
fallingsquirrel wrote: post #21

Stuff like this makes me wonder why I still cling to Firefox instead of switching to one of the actually privacy-focused Chromium forks. I've been using Arkenfox to turn off all the telemetry/etc but it increasingly feels like a game of whackamole. https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js

I still use Firefox because I'd like there to be more than one web browser in the world, but boy oh boy they're trying as hard as they can to get me to quit.

It's also much easier to compile, and thus hack upon since it doesn't require a datacenter-scale distcc setup for all the CVE-generation code C++

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by remram »

Oblivious HTTP is such a joke. The idea that an "independent organization" is your "partner" is a non-starter for me. How can you put those words in the same sentence? And then base the entire security of the whole feature on this premise?

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by remram »

I still can't get search in my own bookmarks most of the time, because they pushed bookmark tags hard, then have not implemented them on mobile after a decade. But at least they have a state-of-the-art snooping mechanism...

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by wakawaka28 »

aquova wrote: post #129
romanows wrote: post #11

Seems like this is in support of "Firefox Suggest", which seems to show sponsored links. I really don't like advertising so I really don't like going down that road. Can't they just take Google's yearly $600,000,000 payment and build the best browser "for the user" while also addressing technical debt and organizational issues so it can continue as an open source project if/when the money ever dries up?

I constantly see this take and I'm afraid I don't agree with it. Firefox is continuing to lose market share, and I think it's less anything they're doing and due simply to the fact that Google is a household name while Mozilla is not. When the user is already using a Google phone, email, search, maps, drive, and document editor, it follows to also use their browser. Simply being a solid browser isn't enough to motiva…

At this point, most of the people still using Firefox desperately want a private browser. It would be nice for Mozilla to come up with innovative new features as they did in their heyday, but everything they have attempted for the last several years has broken beloved features and betrayed the privacy of users.

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Post by threecheese »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #197
JeremyNT wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with this take. It's not like the power users who currently use Firefox and yet dislike this stuff are going to switch away from Firefox, since there's nothing to switch to other than Chrome, which is clearly worse. Personal anecdote, I didn't like Pocket being added to Firefox, but eventually I did start using it - only because it came from Mozilla. And I currently pay Mozilla money for Relay (along with VPN…

> not like the power users who currently use Firefox and yet dislike this stuff are going to switch away from Firefox Not a Firefox power user, but also not a fan of having to learn through HN that I need to disable some random opt-in to not have my browsing leaked by my browser. Was genuinely on the fence about deleting it and simplifying to Safari.

IMO this holds Firefox to an impossible standard; it is vanishingly unlikely that Safari doesn’t perform this same type of user research and data collection, for search utilization wrt their relationship with Google and for other features of the browser. Your point about being surprised by this is certainly valid, if this is indeed opt-out/in by default.

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by Fatnino »

aquova wrote: post #129
romanows wrote: post #11

Seems like this is in support of "Firefox Suggest", which seems to show sponsored links. I really don't like advertising so I really don't like going down that road. Can't they just take Google's yearly $600,000,000 payment and build the best browser "for the user" while also addressing technical debt and organizational issues so it can continue as an open source project if/when the money ever dries up?

I constantly see this take and I'm afraid I don't agree with it. Firefox is continuing to lose market share, and I think it's less anything they're doing and due simply to the fact that Google is a household name while Mozilla is not. When the user is already using a Google phone, email, search, maps, drive, and document editor, it follows to also use their browser. Simply being a solid browser isn't enough to motiva…

Firefox being solid is what got people to move off ie6 to ff1.5

And tabs. That was a cool idea.

Re: Firefox search update

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Post by kjkjadksj »

JohnFen wrote: post #218
kjkjadksj wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using existing code is fine, that's how most software is built anyhow. Only masochists build from complete scratch. EDIT: I've been getting a lot of down votes for this stance, surprisingly. Why not share your position if you don't agree? There must be a bunch of hardcore people on here who are writing directly on the metal in machine code. Short of that, you are in fact using someone else's code in all your projects…

This seems to conflate two entirely different ways of "using existing code". Using tools written by others is technically "using existing code", but that's an entirely different thing than incorporating existing code into your projects. I think that when most devs hear "using existing code", they're thinking of the latter, not the former.

How is calling a library and using a function someone else wrote not the same thing as using a function someone else wrote in any other way? Cite your sources by all means but still the difference is a semantical one.
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