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Post by bsimpson »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #180
Culonavirus wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the company burned $36 billion on a misadventure Watch out, the VR mafia is gonna get ya! Seriously though, any well informed and level headed person could see this coming a mile away. Apparently, such people are in short supply at Meta.

The number of employees who can see failure coming does not matter when they are organized by hierarchy and coerced to work toward failure under threat of losing their wage.

Plenty of people inside Google also thought that splitting(/replacing) Hangouts into Allo and Duo was monumentally stupid.

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Post by zooq_ai »

NBJack wrote: post #132
idle_zealot wrote: post #53

"Open platform" my ass. I still have to jump through ridiculous hoops to mod BeatSaber (which is the only way to make it worth playing for more than a few minutes). Quest 3 makes modding even harder. This announcement is trying to frame App Lab as an open app distribution platform; it isn't. Those "basic technical and content requirements" apps have to meet are basically the same ones that Apple or Google or Meta the…

This is ultimately what they want: their owned walled garden, where they get to be the decider, hold the power, track the user's as first party data, etc. It makes perfect sense. They want this to be the next Android OS (with Play Store equivalent of course). This is really the only move that gets them back in (perhaps only somewhat) with the dwindling ads market. Much as I don't like it, it is a legitimate tactic. I…

Dwindling Ads market? Which planet do you live?

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Post by richgreeko222 »

idle_zealot wrote: post #140
woopsn wrote: post #109

I know I'm fighting the overwhelming tide here, but what the hell is "mixed reality"? What is "the metaverse"? For that matter what is "artificial intelligence"? Stop trying to dazzle and just use words, if the technology is revolutionary then it will be. An automobile is not the magic carpet, a cell phone is not a soulmate, etc. Otherwise fuck it -- TV is virtual reality, getting high augmented reality, TI-84 calcul…

These are not complex or dazzling terms. Artificial intelligence is software that seems intelligent. Virtual reality is a simulated environment that you can immerse yourself in through small screens and head tracking. Mixed reality is virtual reality overlayed on your real environment. See also "augmented reality". The metaverse is the web, but replace websites with 3d environments and add some sort of personal avata…

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Post by pnw »

PaulHoule wrote: post #123
vineyardmike wrote: post #70

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I think they have the most focus out of any big tech company. They have like 4 products. They’re trying to build a platform to build VR experiences on. That’s clearly their goal. Horizon Worlds is “just an app” to show that off. It’s a “hero use case”.

I looked at it seriously for content authoring but gave it up. The big problem is you cannot import images, textures, 3-d models and such from ordinary tools. You have something like constructive solid geometry to work with but only so much and there is a slider you can use to set the number of players and the more players the less geometry you can use. I want to make worlds based on photographs (particularly pano an…

The most popular gaming experiences on Quest are all social - Gorilla Tag, Rec Room, VR Chat, Population One, Contractors etc.

It makes sense that expensive AAA experiences like Asgard's Wrath are single player since that's a fairly dominant model in gaming. The Quest doesn't have the player base to support a AAA multiplayer model at this point.

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

baby wrote: post #185
mnahkies wrote: post #178

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Before the iPhone we had palm pilots, blackberries, etc. I prefer to think of it as consumer VR simply hasn't had its iPhone moment yet

It’s crazy because if you try the Quest it’s quite insane how good it is already. If I were to guess what could give it an iPhone moment: - lighter/more comfortable - faster to get started when you put the headset on - more social experiences and event organized in VR - shorter time from headset on to hanging out with your friends in VR A number of years ago I convinced a bunch of my friends to buy the Quest after be…

> - lighter/more comfortable

It's this and one other point: Games that people aren't bored of in an hour.

To me, very few games have come out for VR that don't feel like gimmicky experiences. Even Half Life Alyx, as advanced as it was, kinda felt like a theme park ride after a while. I'm not sure if there's technical reasons for it, but it feels like nobody is taking VR development seriously.

It's hard to justify strapping a TV to my face and feeling uncomfortable for one-off experiences. Even if there was a game with some depth and replayability, I would be even more annoyed to play it on such an uncomfortable headset.

Almost everyone I know is not using their VR headset anymore. I'm not sure it will ever move past that phase, because people want it to be smaller and, simultaneously, more technically immersive. So we're in some weird in between zone where it's neither.

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Post by zooq_ai »

Aaronstotle wrote: post #220

I won't touch VR/AR until the technology progresses to the point where its nealry indistinguishable from regular sunglasses/eye-glasses. I have yet to use any VR device that made me want to purchase it, its all felt insanely gimmicky, so far the only time a headset seems nice is on a plane ride. I can see the potential, still seems a long way off imo.

Feel sorry that you feel that way. There are many experiences (especially ball games that require hand/eye co-ordination) that has made my game / fitness / skill improve at least 80% with very minimal amount of time I spent (compared to real world training). If you are into Fitness, nothing like training in VR for literally no money (compared to Gym / personal trainer)

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Post by awad »

b112 wrote: post #158
criddell wrote: post #121

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So create a big market where nobody makes much money to compete with Apple's smaller market that captures absurd margins?

Do devs really capture absurd margins? Or does Apple, leaving the dev with a pittance?

While we can debate plenty on what the right amount of App Store fees might be, it is objectively true that developers absolutely care about the market of available consumers on the high end platform.

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Post by freedomben »

NBJack wrote: post #132
idle_zealot wrote: post #53

"Open platform" my ass. I still have to jump through ridiculous hoops to mod BeatSaber (which is the only way to make it worth playing for more than a few minutes). Quest 3 makes modding even harder. This announcement is trying to frame App Lab as an open app distribution platform; it isn't. Those "basic technical and content requirements" apps have to meet are basically the same ones that Apple or Google or Meta the…

This is ultimately what they want: their owned walled garden, where they get to be the decider, hold the power, track the user's as first party data, etc. It makes perfect sense. They want this to be the next Android OS (with Play Store equivalent of course). This is really the only move that gets them back in (perhaps only somewhat) with the dwindling ads market. Much as I don't like it, it is a legitimate tactic. I…

If what they ultimately want is their own walled garden, then wouldn't opening things up be the opposite of what they should do? I mean, it's a lot harder to re-take control that you previously released than it is to hold onto it from the start. Look at Apple's difficulties tighteninng up control on the mac for example. It has to be a very long game. Compare that to the iPhone, iPad, vision OS that have been tightly controlled from the start and they have no difficulties (other than regulatory) holding the reins tightly.

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Post by micromacrofoot »

waffleiron wrote: post #205
micromacrofoot wrote: post #151

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because they want to use songs they didn't pay for

If I paid for the song (even somewhere else, even on a subscription like spotify/apple music), I should be able to dance/move to it. I don't think one should have to re-buy every song in a videogame. Especially when the work is done for free to put in the dance moves by modders.

You don't pay for the song when you pay for streaming services, you pay to stream it. You have no rights beyond streaming the song.

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Post by idontgetirony »

zooq_ai wrote: post #222
NBJack wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ultimately what they want: their owned walled garden, where they get to be the decider, hold the power, track the user's as first party data, etc. It makes perfect sense. They want this to be the next Android OS (with Play Store equivalent of course). This is really the only move that gets them back in (perhaps only somewhat) with the dwindling ads market. Much as I don't like it, it is a legitimate tactic. I…

Dwindling Ads market? Which planet do you live?

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