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It's been called "emotion / intuition" and "logic" for centuries or millennia before the goofy System name was invented.

Ironically people like System 1/2 more than intuition/logic because the terms sound more like they are coined by System 2.

Maybe some people do. I have to keep checking which one is system 1 and which is system 2 every time I hear the terms, because they're not self-evident. Intuition/logic is.

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post #218

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But it never stops at "this thing we want to encourage is obviously good with absolutely no downsides". After all, floss is a single-use plastic, generally made of PTFE, the production of which requires all sorts of nasty forever chemicals.

You can buy biodegradable PTFE & PFAS Free dental floss made from natural ingredients. Or even go old school and use a teeth-cleaning twig etc.

It's gonna be hard to include all of that in your eye-catching, behaviour-nudging poster.

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post #41

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FWIW, I believe Kahneman resisted being categorized as an economist and preferred to think of himself as a psychologist.

There's a school of thought which holds that economics is a subset of psychology. I'd thought that this was reflected in some university departmental organisation, with M.I.T. being the one that came to mind. Despite there being a behavioural economics section there, though, so far as I'm aware Economics remains its own department. Kahneman's training and primary focus were both in psychology, but he was awarded the…

Psychology is the study of the behavior of singular minds. Economics is the study the behavior of many minds acting independently.

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from the article: "Then the students were asked which was more likely: that Linda is a bank teller or that Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement. The vast majority went with bank teller and active feminist, which has to be the less likely choice because the probability of two conditions will always be less than the probability of either one." Isn't that a bad question to ask, it suggests there…

I read that as assuming that the "bank teller only" answer implied that the person was not a feminist, since most people would assume that being a bank teller does not make you a feminist. In any case, a bad phrasing to give for a survey.... These questions would be better off being as unambiguous as possible.

Why would that imply she is NOT a feminist? It just gives no information either way.

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post #218

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You can buy biodegradable PTFE & PFAS Free dental floss made from natural ingredients. Or even go old school and use a teeth-cleaning twig etc.

It's gonna be hard to include all of that in your eye-catching, behaviour-nudging poster.

And thus the advertising industry.

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I have a standing offer to buy any individual any of Kahneman's books, if they commit to me they will read it. Amazingly only a few people have taken me up on this.

Kahneman is unequivocally the person I would call my hero, today I am sad to see him leave us. I hope to honor his memory by... I guess, recognizing just how wrong I am, on a regular basis.

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post #213

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“Should” matters little in politics and war. What works for power will be done regardless of your morals. This is how the world works.

not all men think like this

I’m describing reality, not saying it’s good or bad.

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I have a slightly different take on him, which comes to the same ultimate end on how I view his work. As he's shifted from primarily a journalist to primarily a storyteller, he's chosen to sacrifice additional information and accuracy in lieu of telling a consistent and compelling narrative that support what he thinks is the important thing to take away, not necessarily what you would take away were you to review all…

But once you fact-check him a few times, then you won't be able to trust that his sources support his points anymore, which then raises the question: Is there ANY evidence that supports what Gladwell is trying to say? If the best evidence that Gladwell could find to support his points, don't support his points, then it really makes me question the utility of trying to find evidence to support Gladwell's points. It ma…

The problem is that Gladwell comes off as trying to be scientific, when really he's just a persuasive storyteller. If you view Gladwell as a purveyor of facts or a science communicator, then he does a horrible job and yes, it's hard to trust whatever he presents because he's at best not very careful about his facts and conclusions. In that case, why would you ever pay attention to him?

On the other hand if you see Gladwell for what I think he is, which is an entertaining storyteller using science as a backdrop to present his view of the world, and willing to twist it to suit his view, then he's really no different than many other writers. In that case you can enjoy him or not, at your leisure, just as you would any other editorial or op-ed piece. Entertainment is entertainment, and his content is entertaining even if I don't expect it to be true (to be clear, I'm approaching this as someone that mostly consumes his podcasts, which some chapters of his books have been directly converted to. I wouldn't want to spend the time reading this content that's not true, but I'm happy to listen to it while on a drive).

Whether he's causing more harm than good overall to the public is another question, but honestly that's a much bigger discussion with a lot of much bigger problems than him, so I'm not sure it's worth getting worked up over.

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Kahneman's "add one" / "add three" exercise is his recommended way to activate System 2.

If anyone has figured out how to do it using one's phone, please share. There used to be an App on Google Play store but it doesn't work on more recent versions of Android. I created a Spreadsheet based random 4-digit number prompter, which isn't bad, but I'd like better ideas if anyone has any.

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post #73

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That's exacerbating the original environmental problem, in addition to thick paper books, filled with filler material just to promote the author's brand, you now want to waste electricity on running an LLM that will give you a the short version? That's.... short sighted. This should be dealt with by pressuring the publishing industry not to inflate books and fill them with fluff. This could be done by not buying thes…

Except that a lot of people read these books for the entertainment value of the anecdotes, and a lot of people enjoy feeling self-important for having read long books.

Not just self-important, but the anecdotes are designed to be bite-sized to be easily retellable, like the 2016 NYT Abraham Wald/ beware survivorship bias on graphing bulletholes on WWII airplanes viz which locations were more damaging.

So you get a decade of "business nonfiction" bookstand fodder which is claims with high shock quality but often not relicable, mixed with anecdotes, to signal the reader's self-declared learnedness.

Combine this with the long-tailed nature of the statistic "the average American only reads one book a year" and it's frightening. I think Scott Galloway said sales of his e-book are >10x more than his paper book.

And during Covid lots of people got exposed for having fake bookshelf backdrops.

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