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Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by unsigner »

tivert wrote: post #9

So how should I interpret this? The map lacks geopolitical boundaries, so it's hard to interpret. There looks like a big hole of no data over Ukraine, where I'd most expect GPS jamming, but I suppose there are no civilian flights either. Maybe they could setup an GPS observation station on the ground at a surveyed point to get data there. There's a big red blob over Turkey, is that maybe the southern edge of the reac…

The Eastern Mediterranean might be the (significant, underreported, under-remembered) Russian military presence in Syria. They have airbases, a naval base, they rotate and train their officers there, they constantly ship military equipment back and forth from the Black Sea ports via the Bosphorus to Syria, they train the Syrian army, they build human shield observation posts overlooking Israel.

What's unfathomable to me is how Israel (or Netanyahu?) keeps treating them as a frenemy.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by dfworks »

spudlyo wrote: post #194
araes wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article was interesting alone, simply for the Google Dork technique explanation. Have not heard the "unusual, yet specifically frequent" search technique described that way previously. Very similar to what's necessary for searching StackExchange and similar, such as "site: https://aviation.stackexchange.com/ tracking private planes" The Bombardier Global Express 6000 GLT6 result is interesting, as it's a plane wi…

Apparently people now call using Google's advanced search operators Dorking, neat! I guess I've been dorking for a while. Most of us know about "site:" since it's extremely handy, but there are a lot more. For some reason I had it in my head that many of the documented operators didn't work properly -- or at least I couldn't get them to work properly the last time I tried to experiment. I'll have to try again.

There was a very recent "bug" in Search where the site: operator stopped working for a little bit and everybody in the OSINT community had a bit of a meltdown - https://www.digitaldigging.org/p/search-alert-google-filetyp...

The date operators from: to: I think have been unsupported for a while and replaced with a dropdown in the UI

filetype: is a fave and has been working for as long as I can remember

AROUND(number) is pretty useful too although I find that might be a bit buggy sometimes

There is a good list here https://www.exploit-db.com/google-hacking-database showing how dorks can be used for pentesting and/or generally finding insecure stuff

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by rightbyte »

jjwiseman wrote: post #151

I've been working on mapping GPS jamming using ADS-B data for a couple years, and I'll try to address questions and points brought up here based on what I know. Relevant previous posts on HN: 2022: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32245346 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37868106 (From my comment on that 2023 post: "Why haven't FlightRadar24, FlightAware, or any of the other flight trackers done this?"…

> As some of you have noticed, GPS jamming is highly correlated with conflict zones.

It might be sampling bias. More military aviation with erratic movement and also planes turning off and on their transmitters.

To measure GPS jamming, you should measure from a fixed object. Trying to do that with planes is unnecessary hard.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by posix86 »

FpUser wrote: post #199
jjwiseman wrote: post #167

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I'm not a NATO strategist or anything, so I'm adding this as a child comment, but I think the big story in the GPS/aviation world these days is probably Russia's n̵e̵a̵r̵-̵c̵o̵n̵s̵t̵a̵n̵t̵ frequent jamming of GPS over Poland, Finland, Sweden, Estonia, and Lithuania. Degrading and even neutralizing strategic infrastructure in EU and NATO countries, significantly affecting commercial aviation at the least, is a big dea…

>"There's some reluctance to say it's Russia doing the jamming, though that seems to be the consensus among experts." Why the reluctance? I do not think there is much love lost in regards to Russia.

Sticking to the truth & what you really know, and not scape goating?

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by zuppy »

jojobas wrote: post #211
jjwiseman wrote: post #204

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Well, if you identify them then you might have to do something about it. But it's not clear there's much to be done. Sometimes it's easier to deny or just not mention that someone is acting in a hostile way. The example I often think of is Iran firing missiles at U.S. warships during Operation Praying Mantis, and then, as Wikipedia puts it: "The Pentagon and the Reagan Administration later denied that any Silkworm mi…

The situation with Russia is well past escalation by accusation of civil aircraft jamming. After all, they've pretty much stolen all planes they had under lease from Western owners. Appeasement of someone like Putin is always a mistake. So far every time the West calls his bluff he cowardly pretends nothing happened, be it HIMARS, Storm Shadow and HARM missile shipments, tank shipments, AWACS support, you name it. He…

every few weeks they're threttening to nuke some country, i think there's nothing that can be called excalation at this point (except the obvious idea to retaliate with guns, but that's a very bad idea).

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by nippoo »

bobbob1921 wrote: post #84
tuukkah wrote: post #40

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A small area between Estonia and Finland likewise.

Any chance the area being referenced in relation to Germany is near the headquarters of a company named aaronia? They manufacture, high-end spectrum rf analyzers, and high-end drone tracking and jamming/drone disabling equipment. (As a result, I would expect them to be testing, and or demonstrating their equipment near their headquarters.) Just a guess/speculation as I’m familiar with aaronia’s products and services…

If any civilian company jammed GPS enough to affect commercial aviation that would be a huge no-no - RF emissions in places like Germany are strictly controlled, even if you're just 'testing'

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by cpursley »

zuppy wrote: post #225
jojobas wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation with Russia is well past escalation by accusation of civil aircraft jamming. After all, they've pretty much stolen all planes they had under lease from Western owners. Appeasement of someone like Putin is always a mistake. So far every time the West calls his bluff he cowardly pretends nothing happened, be it HIMARS, Storm Shadow and HARM missile shipments, tank shipments, AWACS support, you name it. He…

every few weeks they're threttening to nuke some country, i think there's nothing that can be called excalation at this point (except the obvious idea to retaliate with guns, but that's a very bad idea).

Can you provide sources where they actually threaten to nuke anyone out of the blue (excluding Medvedev, he’s especially nuts)? All I can find is them clarifying their nuclear policy when pressed about it (would only use in situation of existential threat). Which seems less bellicose than US policy (as the US changed ours not long ago, seemingly allowing for first strike which is pretty insane): https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-12/focus/bidens-disappo...

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by themoonisachees »

cft wrote: post #179
themoonisachees wrote: post #147

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Google maps (and your phone's location services) seldom rely only on GPS. For one, accelerometer-based location has become pretty good. You can usually get by for a few kilometers on the average road. For two, Google maps is aware that you are driving, and this it sticks to roads, especially ones that are on your itinerary, because of your GPS registers as the middle of a field, it's more likely that you're experienc…

Does accelerometer-based location algorithm integrate the acceleration readings to get the phone displacement? Is it a part of the phone operating systems ?

It tries. Accelerometer-based positioning is best used with camera displacement, which isn't used in Google maps driving mode (though there was? Is? An experimental on-foot mode that showed directions in AR).

the accel-based positioning I'm pretty sure is implemented app-side, not os-side, but I could be mistaken.

Re: Flightradar24's new GPS jamming map

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Post by jojobas »

cpursley wrote: post #227
zuppy wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

every few weeks they're threttening to nuke some country, i think there's nothing that can be called excalation at this point (except the obvious idea to retaliate with guns, but that's a very bad idea).

Can you provide sources where they actually threaten to nuke anyone out of the blue (excluding Medvedev, he’s especially nuts)? All I can find is them clarifying their nuclear policy when pressed about it (would only use in situation of existential threat). Which seems less bellicose than US policy (as the US changed ours not long ago, seemingly allowing for first strike which is pretty insane): https://www.armscontr…

Then you remember they called Ukraine in NATO an existential threat, and wiped their butts with international treaties that were supposed to be much more set in stone than some half-official nuclear doctrine.

However, this is all playing chicken. Whenever they were facing actual opposition, they backed down.

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