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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by 93po »

mkleczek wrote: post #207
93po wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you make a VLC clone from scratch but intended to be used for kiosks, the mixture of features and how it operates may be different, but the individual features have assuredly already been programmed elsewhere before. Which is basically my point. It still basically renders video on a screen, and maybe has options to play/pause/mute/etc. Most websites are CRUD apps with stuff that's been done literally a million tim…

What you are describing is a pipe dream of software reuse. People try to do it from the very beginning of IT industry with mixed results. The devil is in the details - your mixture of features is different than mine. We have constant upgrade of video codecs that offer more capabilities. We have unavoidable security issues that need to be somehow addressed (by version upgrades or replacing some components). Etc, etc,…

I agree that the premise of software reuse with humans is not realistic. However my point being that an LLM trained on the entirety of available code could realistically mix and match features across different pieces of software and build something cohesive

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by unikz »

osigurdson wrote: post #77

This sounds like 164 leetcode like questions. The correlation to actual capability is very tenuous in my opinion. https://klu.ai/glossary/humaneval-benchmark I'd love if I could 10X / 100X my productivity with AI, but as a heavy ChatGPT user, it's more like a 30% improvement. Awesome, obviously, but looking forward to improvement.

Man why do you think such thing would increase your productivity, it would only make software engineers unemployed. Don't be much happy about it.

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by blinkyfish »

osigurdson wrote: post #161
polycaster wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey over there. I’m very much grateful for the privilege of this boring job, which is not 100% of my job, but a huge part of it. Grateful because it allows me to feed a family of four. I’m sure in your Musk’esque utopia without boring work is place enough for all mankind. But please, don’t forget to draft a bridge that will bring us all over there and not just a bunch of filthy rich Silicon Valley assholes. Because t…

That is a fair assessment. I am probably parroting Musk here a little. However, your main issue is access to food and resources, not boring work. I can't see why the price of everything goes to zero if there is no cost to make it.

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by blinkyfish »

somewhereoutth wrote: post #19

I can see this being used for code much like ChatGPT is used for prose - to generate large amounts of meaningless output of low quality and dubious utility, serving to fulfill pointless metrics at best, and enabling bad actors at worst. As with prose, good human crafted content will always be highly valued and rewarded.

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by blinkyfish »

dudeinhawaii wrote: post #158

My hopes (and fears) about AI don't seem to match the reality which is that, until we reach AGI, humans are the sole source of creativity and novelty. I think about it like this, would ChatGPT invent Google Search if we had ChatGPT in 2000? Probably not. LLMs seem to exist in this realm of "as smart as an average human with a really big encyclopedia". They're confidently wrong, invent fantasy to defend bad reasoning,…

The problem as I see it is, AI doesn’t have to be extraordinary or innovative to cause major sociopolitical disruption in a capitalist, competitive, market driven society. It just has to be good enough to allow companies to save a shitload of money by eliminating jobs. And make no mistake, this technology is already close to that point. Microsoft expends vast amounts of capital on software engineering salaries and stock options every year. They want to shift that in their favor because their primary motives are completely driven by competition and market demand. Our society is not prepared for this much in the same way it was not prepared for social media algorithms that have wreaked immeasurable havoc on people’s perception and objectivity. But yet again, we’re allowing a few wealthy tech bros from Silicon Valley to seal our fate without very much oversight…

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by blinkyfish »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #175
croes wrote: post #72

So who is liable if the AI makes severe mistakes? Not that MS has been held accountable for all the security problems they've had recently.

Who is liable if a (non-CNC) machine tool goes off-kilter and kills someone? Possibly the manufacturer of the tool. Possibly the operator. Possibly the company that owned the tool as well as the one who manufactured it. That is why we have courts. It's not necessarily a great solution, but the alternative would be abandoning all potentially dangerous mechanisms (heck, we wouldn't even have spears, wooden clubs, or sh…

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Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by CaptainFever »

unikz wrote: post #222
osigurdson wrote: post #77

This sounds like 164 leetcode like questions. The correlation to actual capability is very tenuous in my opinion. https://klu.ai/glossary/humaneval-benchmark I'd love if I could 10X / 100X my productivity with AI, but as a heavy ChatGPT user, it's more like a 30% improvement. Awesome, obviously, but looking forward to improvement.

Man why do you think such thing would increase your productivity, it would only make software engineers unemployed. Don't be much happy about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lump_of_labour_fallacy

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by shotnothing »

weebull wrote: post #148
Sindisil wrote: post #111

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Neat idea. That solves everything. Oh, one quick thing. I'm sure it's nothing, but I'm a bit slow. How do you get new experts if no one gets to do the junior work that gives them the experience to become an expert?

Firat it was people pushing plows, then horses pulled them, and now machines do the work a hundred people used to do. This technology is no different.

but the ability to get horses to pull carts is not tied to expert knowledge of hand-pushing plows, neither is machinery to horse-pulling. This is not really the case for AI

Re: AutoDev: Automated AI-driven development by Microsoft

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Post by sansfucks »

EForEndeavour wrote: post #55
jaylittle wrote: post #40

It's really depressing to see that big tech is essentially universally pushing Snake Oil. AI is a lie. LLMs are a legit tech that have some purpose, but LLMs will never evolve into anything remotely resembling the actual definition of AI. They are flowery language generators and they will never be able to reason, understand, debate and criticize. They know nothing and therefore embody nothing. No matter how much comp…

rebuttals: - LLM capability has grown spectacularly fast. Google published the transformers paper in 2017. Remember when OpenAI said GPT-2 was too dangerous to release? That was five years ago. Now look where they've gone and where trillions of dollars are going. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20912556 - what is the "actual definition of AI"? Do you mean AGI? Machine learning and deep learning have been subsets…

I think your time would be better suited getting as far ahead of this looming upheaval as possible, rather than going down with the sinking ship while trying to warn everyone on board that it's sinking, while they scoff at you and order more martinis.
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