Why isn't making the iPhone unavailable for sale in Europe not an option?
Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU
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#222An interesting analogy and a thought experiment , replace Walmart instead of Apple, how would this play out? you cant force Walmart to sell stuff (nor) ask them to open up a small space inside their stores for others to open up their shop. If they wont, how is this different for Apple? just becuase they are a software company? or just because they allowed this all on a mac and not on an iPhone?
P.S
As long as the regular Joe doesn't bother about walled gardens, apple is on the green.
How many developers actually have a problem with apple's "My Way or highway" approach when it comes to walled garden tax or others, and how much are them from EU..
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unless I am mistaken, there is nothing here that says a developer has to continue to also have their app on the App Store and allow purchasing through the App Store in addition to their own billing. Meaning, no I actually won't be able to use my iPhone as I always did once this becomes normalized and accepted. Please correct me if I am wrong about what the rule for this actually is.
Vote with your wallet, then. Only buy apps distributed through the Apple app store if you dislike alternative stores.
So again this is about giving the developer choice and not users.
If a developer chooses to use an alternative store, even if I want to use that app, the choice is made for me to not use it.
How exactly is this benefiting users?
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#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hence why most European countries just mostly stayed with pre-paid, and operators have been trying to bride us with contracts for iDevices, or if that doesn't get us, contracts in disguise for pre-paid users as post pay. I will keep using Android devices with physical SIM until it isn't no longer viable.
That’s nonsense! Bundled contracts are common in most if not all of Europes economies.
Where are your numbers against my numbers?
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#225Earlier quoted context omitted.
The DMA says this about it: > The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking strictly necessary and proportionate measures to ensure that interoperability does not compromise the integrity of the operating system, virtual assistant, hardware or software features provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper. > The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the…
That is to say, they are allowed to provide certain mandatory security services where justified for free .
Exactly, plus the fact that Android seems to manage just fine without the notarization requirement would suggest that too could be invalidated by the Commission.
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#226It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…
> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone It's obviously not the case. Not you, not anyone else. You obviously aren't mad about how unsafe MacOs is because Apple doesn't restrict installation on it. And you shouldn't be mad that the iPhone walled garden is no more, you did not buy it for that reason. It's somehow concerning that the company has so much grasp on your perception of reality that you are spitting out…
Please don't tell me what is and is not the case for myself, I clearly said what is the case for me and maybe instead of trying to explain why I supposedly feel differently you actually ask why those platforms are different.
I use my iPhone and Mac very differently. All of the apps on my Mac were a single purchase, I don't need to worry about dark patterns there because I just own what I have.
The mobile market is inherently different, largely thanks to developers pushing alternative forms of ownership. Instead of being able to just buy it, most of the apps on my iPhone are subscription based. Meaning I am more at the mercy of dark patterns by the developers.
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#227I wonder why the EU is pushing Apple this hard, and not the other gatekeepers. For example, Xbox, Playstation, and Nintendo consoles should now support an external store.
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#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I assume you're aware and have some other reason that disqualifies it (e.g. you're in the US), but Fairphone does exist and comes pretty close (i.e. PostmarketOS is supposed to run, at least): https://www.fairphone.com/
Thank you. I did actually come across this a few weeks ago as I semi-regularly search for new phones in my despair! It is the closest phone to what I have been after for a while. I particularly like their long software support and their support for right-to-repair. It runs stock Android, however I'm not sure whether that means Google is still fully entrenched into all aspects of the phone by default including through…
The company that imports Fairphone 4 to the US (Murena) runs e/OS which is OK. There's a bit of FUD that pops up on HN about e/OS from time to time, but the reality is that it's a mostly de-Google'd but still usable LineageOS clone. Their emphasis is on de-Googling, and usability, not security. It's probably worth a look. I'd say that their privacy/de-Googling is the best of all the LineageOS flavors. You can see comparisons between all the flavors here:
https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm
That said, you can flash any Android Os that supports Fairphone, or PostmarketOS to it.
The phone itself is responsive/quite good despite being a bit old at this point. I can do all normal phone tasks (email, web, music, navigation, etc) with no lag or any issues. I have not attempted to game on it. The Fairphone 4 is modular, parts are available for repairs, and it works great in the US with T-Mobile or T-Mobile MVNOs.
https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena...
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#229Apple isn’t considering that they are the baddies?
I suggest strong regulation of the complete BigIT and two chairs for public observers at minimum. In addition they are not allowed to enter any new market.
Why? Because it worked well with AT&T. Results:
* UNIX
* C
* Open-Source
* Public Documentation
* POSIX
* GNU (immediate reaction by FSF - they recognized the situation)
* Linux (which caused itself Git)
* BSD (TCP/IP)
The politicians instead opted for Microsoft, Apple, Google, Facebook and Amazon with near to no regulation at all. Despite we learned that software immediately tends to monopolize due to Vendor Lock-in and mass-effect.
What are my benefits of a low billion fine ten years after on of this companies hurt us again? None.
Splitting up? See again Vendor Lock-in and mass-effect.
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> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…
> How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand why they can't subscribe to Netflix through the iOS app? How many know what Apple's cut even is? The iPhone is…
> if I want to play Fortnite I will have to get the epic game store when that comes out. Is that really a choice for me?
Yes? So far Apple hasn't had any trouble making that choice for you, letting Epic offer another option is not equivalent to taking away choices. You might as well be complaining that Epic or Apple's EULA is limiting your decision. It's a you problem.