So I guess regulation is good after all... perhaps we can get some traction with that in US?
Too bad in the US they often just hand the pen for the regulation to the entity being regulated
Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m a mac user at home, and I don’t get their AI story/path now that they’re not supporting AMD/Nvidia GPUs since the Apple Silicon transition. Maybe they’ll manage to get LLMs running well locally with the new low-bit developments? Not my area. But for training/learning it seems like Apple is DOA. They have the same problem as AMD, no one is doing research with their hardware or software. Intentionally shipping low…
I think you are looking at a very narrow use case and deciding that because they do not make a system you'd be happy with for your niche use that they are DOA. Someone selling just under 6.5 million units of anything seems like the opposite of dead to me. Are there vendors selling more? Of course, but there are also vendors selling less. Not every Mac user cares about AI and training or fine tuning a local LLM.
Very true, my needs are niche for sure. But I’m more thinking about the near future. AI/LLMs are going to have some general applications that users are going to want, and will become the norm, and I think it’s clear that will shake out soon. Apple is at risk of being left behind because the only people working on that stuff for Apple, work at Apple. Hobbyists and researchers are on Linux/Windows for the most part. Software development doesn’t have such a large platform difference, lots of developers use macOS. But ML is different and I think they should care.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#223Between this and the PWA decision, Apple seems to be flailing. What is leadership doing?
they don't seem to realise that they can't win against a sovereign power that is actively legislating against them
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#224> And the minimal assurances in Mr. Sweeney’s curt response were swiftly undercut by a litany of public attacks on Apple’s policies, compliance plan, and business model. So according to Apple [edit] one isn't allowed to say bad things about a company publicly or they are allowed to ban your account? Interesting view.
As was said, this is normal in the US. Private businesses can refuse service to anyone for any reason. There's that paint color that is allowed to be used by all but one person because the inventor doesn't like them. On the other hand, I'm definitely not saying this is okay or sane just because it's standard practice in the US. It's also how we got legalized segregation and we had to pass laws carving out exceptions…
> There's that paint color that is allowed to be used by all but one person because the inventor doesn't like them.
I think you mean Black 3.0 (or the other versions from the same artist) which cannot be used by Anish Kapoor.
Worth nothing that the artist making that paint is british and not american.
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I think they meant once. Besides digital lollipops what else is going so great in EU? jobs? economic growth? housing? immigration?
Quality of life, work-life balance, good schools, good transport, lots of consumer protections, human rights & rights for minorities, 70 years of peace. Economic growth isn't great but could be a lot worse if I look at the rest of the world. Energy transition for sure has some huge challenges but again, we're doing pretty great compared to other places in the world. Housing is an issue, but where isn't housing an iss…
>70 years of peace.
Which 70 years?
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
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I want an iphone but if they want to end the industry i cant buy one
Then buy 51% of shares, do a hostile takeover and stop their anti-competitive madness before it is too late. You don't need to do radical changes, just small actions like do not steal the tips students send to teachers. Going full-goblin mode and demanding 30% of all the money that moves through a phone is what is destroying Apple.
Students are tipping teachers now? Tipping culture really has gone off the rails.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think they meant once. Besides digital lollipops what else is going so great in EU? jobs? economic growth? housing? immigration?
Yes? Housing is infinitely better than the US, job security can be better, work life balance is better, cities are nicer to look at, architecture is better, people are more active, fitter, have lives beyond work. The bread is better, so is the cheese. There is real food available. Public transport is plentiful. Society feels a bit less polarised. The EU is infinitely better than living in the states. At least for thi…
It appears you lived in the US for a while and have some resentments, but the parent comment didn't even mention the US.
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It ends when Apple learns to balance the interests of their shareholders and the interests of their customers better. I would go as far as saying that the way Apple banned even any mention of alternative payment methods for in-app services was clearly abusive and faudulent.
> It ends when Apple learns to balance the interests of their shareholders and the interests of their customers better. The interests of their shareholders are literally the interests of their customers. Apple makes incredible products, that billions of people pay significant money for, with many competitors that are much cheaper. Their shareholders reap the rewards of this. If Apple customers hated Apple, they would…
> The interests of their shareholders are literally the interests of their customers.
There would be no need hide information from customers if that was true. Their censorship, the fact that Apple desperately wants to hide what they are doing, is very revealing and incriminating.
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#229I, for once, love living in the EU
The US came very close to passing similar legislation recently and it still could. This bill had bipartisan support. Apple was able to kill it using relationships with leadership, but the votes were there. My organization Fight for the Future worked on lobbying for this, and while it's super difficult to pass legislation over big company opposition, it's not impossible. We can have similar rules in the US if we keep…
Is it dead? I see nothing to that effect in the article.
Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are looking at a very narrow use case and deciding that because they do not make a system you'd be happy with for your niche use that they are DOA. Someone selling just under 6.5 million units of anything seems like the opposite of dead to me. Are there vendors selling more? Of course, but there are also vendors selling less. Not every Mac user cares about AI and training or fine tuning a local LLM.
Very true, my needs are niche for sure. But I’m more thinking about the near future. AI/LLMs are going to have some general applications that users are going to want, and will become the norm, and I think it’s clear that will shake out soon. Apple is at risk of being left behind because the only people working on that stuff for Apple, work at Apple. Hobbyists and researchers are on Linux/Windows for the most part. So…
> But ML is different and I think they should care.
It’s totally this time I promise, just like, one more ~~lane~~ model.
I’m sure they do care. I wouldn’t be surprised if they land significant support for on-app processing of models, they’ve already got the chip, dropping in local models is a sensible next step, and if close to zero effort for them.
> LLMs are going to have some general applications that users are going to want, and will become the norm
I have yet to see anyone, in my personal or professional circles, use any LLM:
- for more than a week
- for anything more than cutesy trivial things.
I’m sure there’s people around stapling models into their toaster, but this is so far from the normal.