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Ex-Google engineer charged with stealing trade secrets
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The entire history of man counters this. So while you might be advocating for some Star Trek world peace fantasy, historical and present realities differ. And that reality is what leadership and everyday people live in. A zero sum game.
I think you're getting at a basic fallacy. This is not a zero sum game. This is a positive sum game.
The worlds population has been steadily growing for the past 10,000 years. The quality of life has mostly increased. We're figuring out more efficient ways to extract energy from the resources around us, including the sun.
We don't live in a post-scarcity world but we also don't live in a zero-sum world either.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmmm that seems like a clear cut case to report to the FBI. Yeah, assuming that they were walking around telling people about it.
The FBI gets more credible reports than it has the labor to investigate. Not to mention in this example no crime even yet occurred.
I agree with the spirit of your statement that no crime has occurred. But this isn't a case where someone just expressed a vague interest in a related topic of national security, but their specific intent to steal secrets and give them to an adversary. And then go ahead and interview at certain companies with that intent.
This would be like someone specifically (not vaguely) stating their intent to commit a violent crime and then spend months preparing for it. Yeah, law enforcement, please definitely follow up on that one.
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#226I find it funny how Google is presenting this. These statements don't really mesh well. > “We have strict safeguards to prevent the theft of our confidential commercial information and trade secrets,” Google spokesman Jose Castaneda said in a statement. > Ding [..] began uploading hundreds of files into a personal Google Cloud account two years ago. > He resigned from Google last Dec. 26. Three days later, Google off…
> We have strict safeguards to prevent the theft of our confidential commercial information and trade secrets
This is just something companies have to say to keep their certifications / audits valid and not get sued by shareholders. In the end any system is leakable if workers really want to.
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#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not really that damaging. Israel never recognized American software or pharmaceutical patents, and most countries do some form of Industrial Espionage (France is fairly notable in the space as well [4]). The wildest cases tended to be back in the 1990s, when Israel was trying to build a domestic armament industry, notably by stealing American IP and selling it to the Chinese [0][1][2][3] (most modern Chinese wea…
Did you mean Ehud Olmert? I don’t believe Ehud Barak was ever arrested. Also, not to nitpick, but would appreciate publicly accessible articles… from the abstracts I can only assume these are summaries made in the 90s of pre-90s shenanigans EDIT: saw now the edits with 3-4, will look at when I have time (thanks!)
> Ehud Olmert
Yep. Brainfarted and merged Olmert and the Barak missles corruption case
> summaries made in the 90s of pre-90s shenanigans
Hence why I wrote "the Israeli program in the 90s".
It's significantly less egregious nowadays (imo de facto non-existent due to how integrated the Israeli innovation system is with the American system now and how simplified FDI is in Israel compared to the 80s-90s)
> appreciate publicly accessible articles
Internet based news wasn't really a thing until the post-Netscape era.
All you're stuck with are archives of print news or government articles, especially because this kind of behavior largely ended by the 2000s.
> EDIT: saw now the edits with 3-4, will look at when I have time (thanks!)
No problem! And like I mentioned before, most countries do this in some form to help domestic champions (eg. India and Pharma IP, France and Defense IP, socialist era Israel and Defense IP, 1970s-80s Japan and electronics IP, China and Defense+Software IP).
If a country allows almost 100% FDI, there's no reason for industrial espionage in that specific sector because foreign champions become integrated with domestic ones. Hence why Israeli and Indian companies don't steal hardware designs anymore because most Americans companies have design centers there that are closely integrated with domestic champions.
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One of the reasons I appreciated academics in my youth was because of how international they were and their bias towards disseminating knowledge globally.
I think the modern day equivalent is libre/free/open source. I encourage everyone to support libre/free/open source software, hardware and data.
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The US government keeps track of countries with material industrial espionage programs like this in America. It isn’t just China on that list, some western allies do the same thing albeit rarely if ever on the same scale as China is currently.
It isn’t a secret. Most people are just oblivious to the scope and nature of the threat.