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U.S. students will take the SAT online

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Post by alistairSH »

johntiger1 wrote: post #118
itishappy wrote: post #33

My friend took an important law school exam (GRE or BAR, not sure which) in the past 2 years that was self administered, and she described her experience as "harrowing." The kernel level malware they installed to monitor the exam crashed her device 4 times during the exam. This was after she got it running on a secondary device because it wouldn't even start on her M1 MacBook Air. The software recorded her screen and…

Can't her husband just stand in front of her, behind the laptop webcam? There's often ridiculously simple real-world workarounds these complex device security process

They make you wave the webcam around the room before starting the exam.

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Post by tssva »

chirau wrote: post #203
tssva wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many states no longer require a road test. Instead you take a state approved driving course and the instructor certifies you as meeting the state driving skill requirements. Most states with this system do have an option to still take a state administered driving test instead but most new drivers just take the course. My daughter got her license last August and we paid for the course. They didn’t teach her anything.…

For real? Which states are these?

In my case it is Virginia. You can only take a road test at the DMV if you are 18+. Below 18 you must go the driving course route.

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Post by xanderlewis »

CrazyStat wrote: post #209
dylan604 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm shocked at how laissez-faire we've gotten for college entrance exams, to the point that they stopped requiring SAT altogether, but are starting to bring it back. there's a lot of things they've done is head scratching. i loved when they changed the scores so that your result from 10 years prior suddenly become a lower result so people had to know when you took the test to properly weight the result. The laissez…

> i loved when they changed the scores so that your result from 10 years prior suddenly become a lower result so people had to know when you took the test to properly weight the result. I took the GRE just before they switched from scoring out of 800 on each section to scoring out of 180. After the switch they kindly mailed me “converted” scores on the new 180 scale, which turned my perfect math score—I hadn’t missed…

So 179 and 180 are just entirely unused in the new system?

You’d think that no matter how weird of a mapping they decide to use, it’d at least preserve the endpoints…

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Post by germinalphrase »

lvl102 wrote: post #182
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

In an ideal world, we wouldn’t have a tiered education system and that everyone will have access to master any subject/curriculum regardless of age. Therefore, we wouldn’t need an arbitrary and flawed aptitude tests.

No disagreement here.

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Post by ghaff »

tzs wrote: post #138
throwitaway222 wrote: post #122

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They stopped requiring road tests? Man, seems like that would cause a bunch of cybertrucks to drive into hotels or something.

I believe that most states require road tests to get your first license or to get a license if you have been unlicensed for a while but stopped requiring them for a renewal, at least if you've got a clean driving record. In at least some states this was based on data that showed that for people that had clean records the rate of road test failures was very low, and those were almost always due to test anxiety and the…

Pennsylvania had some sort of track test many decades ago. No idea the situation there and in other states today.

Never had to do a test when renewing my license even when switching states. (And, yes, I've had a very clean record.)

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Post by nkrisc »

dylan604 wrote: post #63
icyfox wrote: post #11

When I took the GRE in 2017, everything was digital as well. But I couldn't believe how locked down the experience was. The testing center in downtown SF had no windows, a metal detector, and you had to check all food outside of the testing room. Just in case you were going to try to cheat off of your banana. I think each computer was also recording a video of you taking the test although I might be mistaken here. Ce…

> I'm shocked at how laissez-faire we've gotten for college entrance exams, to the point that they stopped requiring SAT altogether, but are starting to bring it back. there's a lot of things they've done is head scratching. i loved when they changed the scores so that your result from 10 years prior suddenly become a lower result so people had to know when you took the test to properly weight the result. The laissez…

I’m sure it very much depends on locality, but I watched an elderly person backup over some cones and then drive out ahead of me with their new license. The road test also consisted of essentially going around the block a few times. I was 18 so there were no prerequisites. If you took the test and the evaluator gave you a pass, you got your license.

Explains all the collisions I pass on the way to dropping the kids off at school nearly every day.

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Post by ghaff »

brewdad wrote: post #190
tssva wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many states no longer require a road test. Instead you take a state approved driving course and the instructor certifies you as meeting the state driving skill requirements. Most states with this system do have an option to still take a state administered driving test instead but most new drivers just take the course. My daughter got her license last August and we paid for the course. They didn’t teach her anything.…

In my state the real benefit of taking the course it that scheduling a road test with the DMV often has a multi-month waitlist. Then, if you fail, you have to wait another 2-3 months to retest. A better lesson than the state approved course was paying for a morning on the skid pad at the local raceway with a real driving instrcutor. Once your young driver understands how to regain control of the car, they are much be…

In an ideal world, you'd probably take one of the higher end courses like BMW offers. Of course, that's not a reasonable option for most people.

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Post by renewiltord »

xanderlewis wrote: post #223
CrazyStat wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> i loved when they changed the scores so that your result from 10 years prior suddenly become a lower result so people had to know when you took the test to properly weight the result. I took the GRE just before they switched from scoring out of 800 on each section to scoring out of 180. After the switch they kindly mailed me “converted” scores on the new 180 scale, which turned my perfect math score—I hadn’t missed…

So 179 and 180 are just entirely unused in the new system? You’d think that no matter how weird of a mapping they decide to use, it’d at least preserve the endpoints…

I believe they percentile-mapped it. Like that guy, I too got a full score on Mathematics (it's very easy) and that was p96 when I took it so I bet I got downscored too. I would almost certainly have been full score if it had had the tougher questions.

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Post by aaomidi »

jmeyer2k wrote: post #120
germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

This is what we're working on building at AutoMark ( https://automark.io ). We're currently building grading tools for teachers, but eventually want to build out a tool to accurately monitor a student's performance over time. There's a lot of potential for AI to disrupt the education system from high school to college to a career. Currently, a GPA and a few test scores (SAT, ACT, etc) are the most in depth view into…

Please think about the ethics of what you’re about to unleash into the world.

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Post by debacle »

germinalphrase wrote: post #110

As a former educator, I look forward to the day that we can simply track student ability in a trustable manner based on long term data collection in the classroom rather than requiring these additional, often expensive, exams. We would need to mediate our classroom interactions more than we do now - but the tools do so usefully are there if packaged correctly.

Enders Game had this technology and it was so much worse than an SAT.
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