Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

cpj.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 968 posts

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#221

Post by hersko »

henry2023 wrote: post #159
hersko wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The court did not say that Israel is committing genocide. It didn't even require a ceasefire. Do you not know what "preventing" or "committing" mean either?

Why do you think it asked Israel to prevent acts of Genocide instead of asking both sides of preventing acts of Genocide? Do you believe that if there’s no suspicion that acts of Genocide are being committed by the IDF the court could have emitted such ruling? I’m not trying to fight in here. You don’t need to be condescending this is not reddit my friend.

I apologize for my tone, this is something i am passionate about.

Hamas has always been pretty open about their intent for genocide[1]. The ICJ had a specific case brought by a specific country on specific charges against Israel. The ICJ ruled against them.

Israel is in the middle of a bloody war in an urban environment filled with civilians. Of course Israel should follow the rules of war and try to limit civilian casualties, which is what the preventing acts of genocide was about.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/ha...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#222

Post by bombcar »

ars wrote: post #96
moshun wrote: post #32

For context, a total of 69 journalists were killed in WWII, 63 in the Vietnam war both of which lasted several years. As of today March 6th 2024, the Gaza invasion has left 86 journalists dead in less than 4 months. That is an amazingly high percentage for the expected mean in a conflict. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel... https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2024/02/over-75-of-all-j…

And for comparison 715 were killed in Syria. "Of the 715, the Syrian regime was responsible for the killing of 553 journalists, including five children, one woman, five foreign journalists, and 47 journalists who died due to torture, while 24 journalists were killed at the hands of Russian forces." https://snhr.org/blog/2023/05/03/on-world-press-freedom-day-...

Five children journalists?

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#223

Post by infamouscow »

jiggawatts wrote: post #151
tehjoker wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

[flagged]

The word has been diminished by deranged activists in the US, but in international law it is clearly defined.

The problem Israel has is it has either satisfied all of the criterion for a genocide, or it has satisfied all of the criterion for being apartheid state. There is no inbetween or alternative at this point, so which is it.

You can pick both if you like because it is both.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#224

Post by myth_drannon »

itishappy wrote: post #192
myth_drannon wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Are you suggesting Israel shoots journalists on sight? I get that Hamas is trying their best to muddy the waters, but that still doesn't seem like a reasonable response...

At the beginning of the war, Hamas combatants used that vest as a means of protection and to allow safe movement, which caused IDF snipers to pay extra attention to PRESS and most likely send them off. If you pay close attention to reports from Gaza, barely anyone is using a PRESS vest now (that's like holding an AK-47), beginning of the war everyone was using it.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#225

Post by mschuster91 »

moshun wrote: post #32

For context, a total of 69 journalists were killed in WWII, 63 in the Vietnam war both of which lasted several years. As of today March 6th 2024, the Gaza invasion has left 86 journalists dead in less than 4 months. That is an amazingly high percentage for the expected mean in a conflict. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel... https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2024/02/over-75-of-all-j…

[flagged]

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#226

Post by hersko »

dang wrote: post #132
hersko wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Dang, huge fan of HN. How do you reconcile HN's political neutrality and the fact that almost every overtly political story that hits the front page about certain subjects[1] are blatantly biased on one side? [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435324

I think it's a legit concern and it worries me too. We can only go by the articles that users submit, and then only the subset we see, which is a function of (a) randomness and (b) users bringing specific cases to our attention. If there's a bias in the stories that have made HN's front page, that bias is present in the underlying data (I mean this stream of articles) to begin with. Why might that be? Well, there are…

Thanks for the response. I guess i just don't understand why some political stories make it through, when the vast majority (like this one[1]) are rightfully flagged.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39622270

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#227

Post by g-b-r »

itsoktocry wrote: post #75
g-b-r wrote: post #26

Besides the statistics I advise anyone to also look at the reports of how the individual deaths happened, I've seen them very little discussed in western media. There's often enough evidence to show an extremely likely deliberate killing (usually with weapons that Hamas doesn't have). Journalists have been killed outside of the Gaza strip as well. Just make your own informed opinion. Furthermore, there have been so f…

> Furthermore, there have been so few western journalists on the ground because Israel (and Egypt) prevented them from entering, I think this prohibition alone should be considered unacceptable in the 21 century I think the prohibition is wrong, but what do you think "real journalists" can offer people that isn't already being spread around? We are inundated with stories from this conflict; what is CNN going to add t…

> We are inundated with stories from this conflict; what is CNN going to add to the conversation

For example it could add informing a much wider span of the population and so influencing the governments?

I guarantee you that not everyone is inundated with stories from the conflict.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#228

Post by vladgur »

archagon wrote: post #165
psunavy03 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protected sites lose their protected status under the law of armed conflict if they are used to hide/support combatants. Agree or disagree with Israel's targeting policies; that's still the law and has been for decades.

If the law permits thousands of innocents to be slaughtered, then maybe it needs to change.

THe reason these "international laws" are accepted by majority of modern nations is because they are somewhat reasonable and allow parties to military conflicts to wage military campaigns while attempting to minimize civilian casualties.

If the laws are rewritten to state "you are never allowed to attack a hospital or a school. No exception", then what will follow is one party to the war will put their military installation insides schools and hospitals and the other party to the war to the war will say "these geneva conventions are unreasonable and we wont follow it"

In other words, nobody would respect Geneva conventions if they are unreasonable

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#229

Post by js4ever »

hmcq6 wrote: post #141
js4ever wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30k dead (from Hamas source) including at least 10k terrorists over a population of 2.2M is nowhere close to a genocide. Only hamas supporters are claiming it's a genocide.

Geneva Convention - article II: > In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole *or in part*, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: > (a) Killing members of the group; > (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; > (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physic…

So all the points in your list are qualifying October 7 attack from Hamas on Israel as a genocide attempt. I agree with you. Response to that is a war.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

#230

Post by dang »

hersko wrote: post #226
dang wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a legit concern and it worries me too. We can only go by the articles that users submit, and then only the subset we see, which is a function of (a) randomness and (b) users bringing specific cases to our attention. If there's a bias in the stories that have made HN's front page, that bias is present in the underlying data (I mean this stream of articles) to begin with. Why might that be? Well, there are…

Thanks for the response. I guess i just don't understand why some political stories make it through, when the vast majority (like this one[1]) are rightfully flagged. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39622270

If you look at the links I listed in my GP comment, I've posted quite a few explanations of how and when we turn off the flags on an article. If there's a question I haven't answered there, I'd like to know what it is.
Post reply on HN