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Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by danogentili »

pacifika wrote: post #213
ignoramous wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare's ddos protection Yeah, we got hammered once with over 10TB/mo and noped out of Netlify as fast as we could: https://twitter.com/rethinkdns/status/1370342245841342466 Had to pay the bill in full. Cloudflare's free tier is ridiculous: We do over 30TB+ of genuine traffic for $0. Makes it hard to move to any other platform. As a small tech shop, this is my Hotel California I'm happy to never leave.

That’s a free tier that doesn’t sound sustainable then, so that raises alarm bells to me.

I believe it's quite the opposite, cloud has normalized absurdly high traffic fees, and that is what should be raising alarm bells.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by gempir »

auggierose wrote: post #189
gempir wrote: post #132

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Why? If you use Vercel in the Free Tier you cannot automatically go to the Pro tier. You need to manually upgrade. Unless you need more than the Free-Tier Vercel should be fine.

If you use Netlify in the free tier you cannot automatically go to pro tier either. Yet they will charge you for bandwidth > 100GB, and THERE IS NO WAY FOR YOU TO SWITCH THAT OFF, even in the free tier. "Should be fine" is exactly what is not the case here. Better check your Vercel terms again.

Wow that's indeed very bad from Netlify.

From every Vercel document that I can read though is that when you exceed the limits of free tier they are just locked for 30 days unless you upgrade to Pro.

So unless I am mistaken this cannot happen on Vercel.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by mro_name »

jefozabuss wrote: post #136
ji_zai wrote: post #74

This is my worst nightmare as a bootstrapped founder. And that there's no way to put a limit on spend is ridiculous. Someone that doesn't want me to do well can simply ddos me into bankruptcy out of nowhere. Just went through Vercel's docs: --- "Vercel helps to mitigate against L3 and L4 DDoS attacks at the platform level. Usage will be incurred for requests that are successfully served prior to us automatically miti…

If you want to sleep tight just get a dedicated server or VPS from something like Hetzner and/or combine with CDN providers like BunnyCDN - set up alerts just in case though. It takes more time and resources to manage it but you could save a lot on it in this case.

I'd even say build your system so as it can run on shared hosting. This way you even save the management.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by blitzar »

pacifika wrote: post #213
ignoramous wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare's ddos protection Yeah, we got hammered once with over 10TB/mo and noped out of Netlify as fast as we could: https://twitter.com/rethinkdns/status/1370342245841342466 Had to pay the bill in full. Cloudflare's free tier is ridiculous: We do over 30TB+ of genuine traffic for $0. Makes it hard to move to any other platform. As a small tech shop, this is my Hotel California I'm happy to never leave.

That’s a free tier that doesn’t sound sustainable then, so that raises alarm bells to me.

By the time it isnt sustaninable I will have IPO'd and be the next offensive new money tech billionaire writing threads on twitter telling you the secret to success is the 5am grindset and everyone who isnt sinking 5mil into the next big thing (tm) can have fun staying poor.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by heisenbit »

LiamPowell wrote: post #45
romwell wrote: post #25

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>Netlify and others are extremely transparent about the fact that there are no limits Are they also transparent about the fact that they 1. Won't do anything about a DDoS, and 2. In case there's a DDoS (or some other unusual traffic spike), you'll only get notified waaaaay after the fact when you get the $100K bill, instead of getting a timely alert that would allow you to shut your site down to prevent getting extre…

The primary purpose of these services is to be able to scale up and continue working under heavy load, shutting the site down when this occurs would defeat the entire purpose of the service. I would say that they are transparent about both of the things you have listed by virtue of being one of those scaling serverless hosting services.

The primary service of these starter accounts for single users is way different.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by underdeserver »

pacifika wrote: post #213
ignoramous wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Cloudflare's ddos protection Yeah, we got hammered once with over 10TB/mo and noped out of Netlify as fast as we could: https://twitter.com/rethinkdns/status/1370342245841342466 Had to pay the bill in full. Cloudflare's free tier is ridiculous: We do over 30TB+ of genuine traffic for $0. Makes it hard to move to any other platform. As a small tech shop, this is my Hotel California I'm happy to never leave.

That’s a free tier that doesn’t sound sustainable then, so that raises alarm bells to me.

These guys know what they're doing. If and when Cloudflare dies we'll find something else.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by lifestyleguru »

b112 wrote: post #176
WyvernDrexx wrote: post #140

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Imagine you lost your job. So you are here enjoying creating and hosting your hobby projects in theses services. Now, suddenly one fine morning you get slapped with $104K bill because someone decided to randomly ddos your one page dog lover website. Now, who in the would would be thinking of having ddos protection for their hobby project? This is just absurd thinking.

This may seem weird, but I believe ToS ae the real problem here. I call it the "car rental" problem. When I rent a car in person, I am often given a contract. And this contract is filled with tiny print, and pages of it. There are often people behind you, waiting, and bored/annoyed people behind the counter, waiting. This is beyond unreasonable. A point of sale contract should be short, in readable text, and understa…

Every rental and service is so optimized against scammers and abusers that being a perfect legit customer ie. simply want to pay, use the resource, then return the item or terminate the service, you're walking along the edge of a cliff. Annexes, penalties, fees and charges, exclusions, "sign this one more form, everyone signs it". Housing rental is another extreme example, one is simply unable to just get a job in new location and rent something long term.

Re: Netlify just sent me a $104k bill for a simple static site

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Post by PDSCodes »

I am a business user with netlify. I have unlimited functions calls on that plan (fair use of course!) and use their JWT protection that redirects to a login site at the cdn level, so you can rate limit. Not a solution for public static sites though! You are metered on the starter and pro plans after the starting limits.

They seem to have dropped that plan now.

I was starting to move back to traditional hosting as these platforms are convenient, but you do lose control and get hammered for their addon services and simple things like static ips are beyond them, even if you offer to pay.

Also, if their cdn is naughty listed, corporate networks may block your site as you are sharing pro and business plans with free sites that maybe serving malware etc.

Hearing this story has pushed me to move.

I hope they sort that for you, they really should have the ability to protect a site and let you choose what to do if you are exceeding your limits.

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