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People have been trained to look for apps in the app stores. PWAs aren't there, and have a different installation method, for technical reasons that shouldn't matter in most cases. If you ask differently: do you want apps that install almost instantly, and take almost no space on your phone? A lot of people would be interested. Renting a scooter or charging an EV tends to require native apps for no good reason. These…

Well Apple's proposed solution is App Clips, which is what Spin (and perhaps others?) use: https://developer.apple.com/app-clips/ Of course, an efficiently-coded webpage (e.g. no JS-heavy libs) could also work, with arguably less hassle all-around. But native apps do tend to "feel" nicer.

App Clips are so much this: https://xkcd.com/1367/

I’ve seen App Clip in the wild only once, and it was a barely functional stop-gap-app that asked me to download the full app to finish the registration :/

I assume that the proposition of making a second app, Apple-only, which has even more restrictions and technical challenges than regular apps, is just not economical to catch on.

JS is often bloated, but there’s a lot of tooling for diagnosing and fixing the problem. There are libraries that care about size. Minified JS is pretty dense anyway.

Swift and its frameworks can easily be as bloated, but it’s harder to inspect bloat in compiled code. Languages with generics aren’t easier to keep in check than JS. You can easily accidentally multiply your code when it’s monomorphized, or prevent dead code removal when it’s not. It’s easy to find iOS apps that are 10x larger than a bloated website.

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I did not mean to say that Apple will get away with this, it's just that I don't expect the EU to be exactly fast in its response. As the FA says, it will take its sweet time and by then Apple will have reinforced their dominant position. Of course Apple and their legal teams already know that.

Well that happened really fast https://www.ft.com/content/d2f7328c-5851-4f16-8f8d-93f0098b6...

What? It's paywalled.

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and iOS, a newer OS where Apple could easily redo their security model while ignoring legacy baggage does not have sudo.

The superuser on iOS is Apple. Apple can do whatever they want, to any iPhone, whenever they want. Final, ultimate control must always be vested somewhere . Your argument is that it's "more secure" for it to be in the hands of a profit-seeking corporation than in the hands that are holding the device .

>Your argument is that it's "more secure" for it to be in the hands of a profit-seeking corporation than in the hands that are holding the device.

Yes. The identity a company like Apple is known and trusted. The person holding a device is not a known identity. This is unrelated to not having sudo though. Take for example the ping command. There is no reason why the user must have access to an account that has ultimate control over the device to use ping. ping should be possible to be used by a normal user. This could be implemented with a ping daemon that run with a dedicated user that has the capability to use raw sockets, and then normal users have a ping client that talks to such daemon. You can come up with everything someone would need root for and define a more secure way to offer that functionality to the user.

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> Creating your own app is actually pretty easy on iOS. I don't believe you. I believe that you probably left out some crucial detail, such as having to own a Mac first.

Well.. Yea. Sure. But saying "you cannot" is very different from "you need a mac".

You didn't say “can”, you said “actually pretty easy”.

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Show me how to get ublock origin on safari in iOS. You can’t, and this is basically the top extension anyone wants, and so your blanket statement is also misinforming

What a weak argument. So because uBlock Origin refuses to make an extension for iOS, extensions don’t exist? I use Wipr, and it’s been better than the beloved uBlock has ever been.

It's not that they refuse, it's not possible to make an effective ad blocker

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What a weak argument. So because uBlock Origin refuses to make an extension for iOS, extensions don’t exist? I use Wipr, and it’s been better than the beloved uBlock has ever been.

It's not that they refuse, it's not possible to make an effective ad blocker

That’s simply not true.

Don’t take my word as an iOS dev for it, the fact that a bunch of effective ad blockers exist, one of which I use and just told you about, directly refutes your claim.

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The official F-Droid client has auto updates, too, for what it's worth.

This is good to know. Thank you. I'll just install f-droid app on my next phone. iirc it didn't do this when android 12 was new.

Yep, it was added fairly recently. Exciting times!

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With a 7 day expiration, max of 3 apps. It's more of a "developer account lite" testing tool than a bona fide sideloading mechanism.

A seven day expiration alone makes it useless. Why would anyone think side loading is supported when you can't open the app anymore after 7 days? More likely to be iOS apologists looking for a narrative, they try it out and proclaim that it works, but have no intention to actually use their side loaded test app, so they don't even realize it only looked like it worked.

It automatically refreshes in the background. You can just set it and forget it. Not sure why people think it is complicated.
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