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Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by postpawl »

randomdata wrote: post #220
postpawl wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The challenge isn't that people don't want to engage; it's that the demands of daily life, such as working long hours to make ends meet, leave little room for the kind of sustained political involvement that wealthier individuals can afford. When we say that people delegate their power to figureheads, it might be more a reflection of an unequal system that doesn't effectively support widespread civic participation, r…

Of course the system is not something that magically descended to the heavens, it is simply what people have agreed to go by. If it is unequal, it is so because the people have decided that they want it to be unequal. No doubt because, as you point out, the typical person would rather spend their time making ends meet (i.e. pay for the luxuries of life) than the worry about making agreements with their neighbours day…

Although people have a role in forming societal structures, it's not a simple matter of choice when entrenched interests shape the rules. The perception that individuals consent to inequality by focusing on their own lives misses the broader context of systemic barriers. Expecting people to prioritize civic action over making a decent living underestimates the challenges they face. The system needs to facilitate equal participation through reforms in political finance, such as addressing the implications of Citizens United, or revisiting institutional frameworks that may dilute the majority's voice (the Senate). It's about creating conditions where engagement is a realistic option for all, not just those who can afford the time and expense.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by herbst »

advael wrote: post #102

So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like?

Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by ryan-c »

herbst wrote: post #222
advael wrote: post #102

So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like? Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

> what does direct democracy in the US look like?

Two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_California_Proposition_13 (massively screwed up the housing market in California, not feasible to reverse it now)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_California_Proposition_8 (defined marriage in the state constitution as between a man and a woman, still on the books but invalidated in court... for now)

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by hmcq6 »

herbst wrote: post #222
advael wrote: post #102

So if I'm reading this right, they're banning something that is too underpowered to run the exploits people are using to steal cars (which are only possible in the first place because car companies' threat model is mostly about their customers rather than thieves) in order to pretend to do something about car theft I've been pretty happy on balance with measures introduced through direct democracy in recent years (mo…

Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like? Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

Well owning a set of lock picks is illegal in the US so... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by ryan-c »

tamimio wrote: post #179
15457345234 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What would be okay is to ban the use of an F0 to steal a car. Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. Same as (in the UK) carrying a set of lockpicks is grounds to be arrested for 'going equipped' unless you're a locksmith.

> Ban carrying them. If it's truly an educational tool you don't need to carry it around with you. The whole purpose of this device is to carry it and the portability aspect, else I will use my other powerful SDR.. I have many fobs that I would like to keep em all in one device than carrying the hardware for each, plus backing it up. UK, a country that still requires licenses for a TV isn’t a good example in your cas…

The UK does not require a license for a TV. They require a license to receive live television broadcasts (regardless of medium) and/or use BBC iPlayer.

Watching C-SPAN's live stream on your laptop would, for example, require a TV license, whereas watching Netflix or playing video games using a TV as a display would not.

The definition of "live television broadcast" is somewhat vague, and is essentially "duck typed". The BBC has said an online tv channel would count whereas watching streamers on Twitch wouldn't.

Also, the license covers the address, but there are weird exceptions, such as when watching on a laptop whether that laptop is plugged in or not.

(I live in the UK, and have informed TV licencing that my address does not require a license so they will stop wasting paper by sending threatening letters)

Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft

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Post by __egb__ »

hmcq6 wrote: post #228
herbst wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Swiss here, curiously interested, what does direct democracy in the US look like? Direct democracy means a lot around here, like not having a single party long term in some control positions who could block or manipulate bills. Voting on topics instead of politians is only a small aspect of this all working.

Well owning a set of lock picks is illegal in the US so... 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

That is not true. It’s on a state-by-state basis and only a few states have laws that say ownership is automatically seen as intent to commit a crime.

It’s legal in most states to own lock picks and use them on locks you own.

I also believe most of the same states allow you to use them on any locks with the permission of the owner, but there may be a few that require a locksmith for that, even if you aren’t selling the service.

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