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Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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The thing about hybrids is that while you get the benefits of a gas engine (not needing to charge), you also get most of the combined drawbacks of ICE cars and EVs. You still need to go to the gas station, change the oil, maintain the belts and filters, etc. If you're mostly driving in EV mode, stale gas could even be an issue (though that's probably not a huge concern for most). But you've also still got electric mo…

In present day reality though, most people live in cities in cheap apartments that won't have chargers for at least a decade. I watch woodpeckers destroy the wood trim at my building, you think mgmt is going to add EV chargers any time soon? Hybrids have superior reliability and lower cost of ownership than pure gas which is why uber drivers and nyc tax have adopted then en masse. All of the disadvantages of hybrids…

Definitely lower cost per mile due to the fuel economy. Clearly they make a ton of sense for taxis. Do you have evidence for the higher reliability than pure ICE cars? I hadn't heard that, and it seems counter-intuitive to me. I certainly know anecdotally I've heard many claims of Prius hybrid batteries failing. (Which isn't necessarily a huge problem, but just saying it adds a point of failure without, as far as I can tell, removing any.)

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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so, about market for tesla battery replacement: https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/comments/1akc3bz/wifes_20...

Preface: I am not familiar with Tesla, they tend to do their own thing. When my early-2000’s Prius battery died Toyota only offered a full swap out for $insane. However there were 4 different shops within cheap/free towing distance that would swap out individual failed battery cells for around 1k with a multi-year warranty. It is my understanding that most EV batteries are in the same boat. So, like many stories, I w…

i specifically wrote "tesla"

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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The thing about hybrids is that while you get the benefits of a gas engine (not needing to charge), you also get most of the combined drawbacks of ICE cars and EVs. You still need to go to the gas station, change the oil, maintain the belts and filters, etc. If you're mostly driving in EV mode, stale gas could even be an issue (though that's probably not a huge concern for most). But you've also still got electric mo…

>If you're mostly driving in EV mode, stale gas could even be an issue (though that's probably not a huge concern for most). volvo hybrids force engine operation in case gas wasn't refilled/used for too long.

Makes sense. So yeah, not something the end user would really have to worry about then.

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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>If you're mostly driving in EV mode, stale gas could even be an issue (though that's probably not a huge concern for most). volvo hybrids force engine operation in case gas wasn't refilled/used for too long.

Makes sense. So yeah, not something the end user would really have to worry about then.

well, if you will go to hybrid car forum to "peak covid" timeframe, a lot of users actually worried about it. this kind of stuff is rather obscure functionality mentioned deep inside the manual that nobody bothers to read.

also, this is volvo. no idea how other hybrids tackle this issue

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Its because the south is fairly young and impoverished, so cheaper to mfg there. Down vote, but that's the reason.

No, it's because Georgia is very aggressively courting large manufacturers with "phantom bonds" and "bond for title" deals. Problem is, it's not paying off - the state isn't benefiting overall from it, and as soon as they stop providing these sweetheart tax breaks and freebies, comopanies will pull up and move to the next state willing to do so

They're going to pull up their $8bn factory?

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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post #222

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Preface: I am not familiar with Tesla, they tend to do their own thing. When my early-2000’s Prius battery died Toyota only offered a full swap out for $insane. However there were 4 different shops within cheap/free towing distance that would swap out individual failed battery cells for around 1k with a multi-year warranty. It is my understanding that most EV batteries are in the same boat. So, like many stories, I w…

i specifically wrote "tesla"

Yes, and we are both specifically writing in a thread about Toyota battery vehicles.

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Its because the south is fairly young and impoverished, so cheaper to mfg there. Down vote, but that's the reason.

Savannah and Brunswick are huge car export ports because many manufacturing facilities are spread out between South Carolina and Georgia: Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Honda, KIA to name a few. These ports are also the largest on the Eastern seaboard of the US. So access to shipping is probably one of the main reasons. Also major demographic shifts to the Southeastern part of the US help supply the labor pool. Georgia and So…

They aren’t even in the top 5. There are poorer states

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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As someone who lives a few miles from Georgetown, KY, it's important to note that this factory already exists and sounds like they are (partially) re-tooling it to begin EV production. So that might explain the dollar figure.

Louisville checking in, spent a lot of time in Georgetown and can confirm this is likely just more work on the Camry plant. Toyota has been good to the area. Off topic, but is there a popular tech meetup in the state? Moved back a year and some change ago and would love to get more involved.

We have been working hard to grow the bluegrass tech community (mainly focused on Lexington area right now). The following are a good place to start:

- https://lextalk.tech/ - should be another one in April or may

- https://www.meetup.com/The-Bluegrass-Developers-Guild on Meetup - lots of good events here

- https://www.bluegrassdevs.org/ - join our slack

I really suggest coffee and code. It is super chill and a great way to meet folks around the area: https://meetu.ps/e/MN0XK/1RyZP/i

We are always looking for folks to help out.

Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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Savannah and Brunswick are huge car export ports because many manufacturing facilities are spread out between South Carolina and Georgia: Volvo, Mercedes, BMW, Honda, KIA to name a few. These ports are also the largest on the Eastern seaboard of the US. So access to shipping is probably one of the main reasons. Also major demographic shifts to the Southeastern part of the US help supply the labor pool. Georgia and So…

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Re: Toyota to invest $1.3B in Kentucky factory to build battery packs and new EV

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What about Toyota's plans makes you think they will ever catch up to everyone else with EVs?

If you mean stop manufacturing Internal Combustion Engines, Toyota have said many times, they do not intend to "catch up to everyone else" with EVs. They have the luxury of sitting and watching their competition leave the market, thus leaving Toyota's road to great profits wide open.

Only works if the competition does indeed leave the market. The risk of staying out while everyone else embraces the next generation technology is a reduction in customer loyalty. Every current Toyota owner who buys a competitor's product is potentially someone who will switch loyalties going forward.
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