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Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I tried renting one in Hawaii last month. Figured it would be a great idea on an island where I could drive all day and easily charge overnight. Wrong.

- Our hotel (and many others) did not offer EV charging. In most places, there was no assurance that the chargers would be functional.

- Oahu has very limited level 3 charging. Finding a supercharger meant driving out of the way.

- Hertz wanted me to top-it-off before returning. I was mindblown when I realized that they had a fleet of EVs but no in-house charging equipment.

Had Hertz offered to charge it themselves upon return, I would have still taken it, but asking me to sit around for a few extra hours at an L2 charger just before returning the vehicle was definitely a deal-breaker.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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A plug in is cheaper than a gas tank of fuel, and a rental car company is insulated from that fact until they get handed a car on empty.

Being able to "charge onsite" is a minor advantage, if any at all. They get to charge for cars brought back not full, and either they're active enough that they have on-site refueling (delivered by a gas truck) or they're inactive enough that sending the new guy over to the gas station isn't a major issue.

Considering what they charge you for fuel, they make money on that.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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So Hertz is continuing their narrative to blame EV's for their own executive mistakes. If you dig deeper you'll find that: - most of their EV's were rented to Uber drivers. - All Uber rentals, gas and EV, have higher milage, higher maintenance costs and lower resale values. In other words this state of affairs was highly predictable. That it wasn't taken into account is the fault of Hertz executives. They're trying t…

> blame EV's Wait, what? Hertz was basically bankrupt, and suddenly was a "good business" when it bought a bunch of Teslas. It was always a stretch. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38052601/hertz-buying-100...

But hey, they hired Tom Brady (who also got paid to shill for FTX) to do their EV-focused commercials. Surely it's a good business when their commercials don't, you know, extol the benefits of their company and products, but instead hire a celebrity in a pretty low-brow disgusting way to try to sell a product: by pandering to the people with "hey, this famous person is in our commercial and for money he says our product is cool, so that means you should like it too, if you want to be cool like Tom Brady". Surely their fundamentals are rock solid.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I’m surprised to hear that people have had some anxiety about charging when renting Teslas from Hertz. My experience was quite the opposite. Just use any supercharger and it bills to Hertz who bills to you. The hotel valet had EV charging and charged the battery up all the way every night. The only confusing part was figuring out what charge level I needed to return the car at (I think it was 75%). Otherwise it was g…

I second this. I've rented Teslas from Hertz about 5 or 6 times now for long trips across California and the experience was flawless. I couldn't believe how well everything just worked. The integration resulted in a seemingly Tesla-controlled experience where there was little friction reminding you the car belonged to Hertz.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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> blame EV's Wait, what? Hertz was basically bankrupt, and suddenly was a "good business" when it bought a bunch of Teslas. It was always a stretch. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38052601/hertz-buying-100...

But hey, they hired Tom Brady (who also got paid to shill for FTX) to do their EV-focused commercials. Surely it's a good business when their commercials don't, you know, extol the benefits of their company and products, but instead hire a celebrity in a pretty low-brow disgusting way to try to sell a product: by pandering to the people with "hey, this famous person is in our commercial and for money he says our prod…

i think you just described most marketing. its irrelevant

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I recently rented a car from Hertz. I knew I wouldn’t need more than a single full tank of gas for my trip (and if I underestimated I could just stop at a gas station). I wasn’t sure what might happen with the (cheaper!) Tesla. So I opted for the ICE vehicle. (Where could I charge it? The hotel? Do I need to find a super charger? Etc. Just more headache than I wanted on a vacation).

This seems to be an extension of the biggest problem with EVs: The edge cases. Even if the edge case is only 1% of your travel, do you want to buy a car that can't do it? It can be anything . You're living in Minnesota and your dad in Chicago had a heart attack. An ICE can get you there in about ~7 hours. An EV... you're going to need 1 supercharging station at a minimum, probably 2. Or, you just decide you want a ro…

>EVs make far more sense in Europe than America

As an European, no they don't. Europeans often use their cars for long travels cross borders for work, vacation or visiting relatives where public trasnportation doesn't serve them, and the lack or underdevelopment of charging infrastructre makes them viable only for people with their own house, garage and charger at home or for businesses which do short trips around town like deliveries or realtors. Everyone else has ICEs.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

#227
I feel like there's a big market opportunity to create an EV-only rental car agency that will eventually get rolled up by an Avis or Hertz.

Besides the body damage repair cost mentioned in the article, one other reason for Hertz' decision has to be customer complaints. Car rental agencies frequently have to give people a different car than the one they reserved and for whatever reason, a lot of Americans have a bone to pick with electric vehicles. Having traveled extensively for work over the years, I've seen some pretty stunning meltdowns from the people ahead of me in the Hertz line when they got, e.g., a Traverse instead of a Tahoe (i.e., a marginally smaller SUV than the one they reserved).

Imagine the theatrics that ensue at the Honolulu airport when an entitled boomer out of central casting (sorry to stereotype) gets a Bolt instead of the Malibu they reserved. I could totally see how such incidents, at scale, would bubble up to Hertz leadership and drive decisions.

It doesn't seem like there are any electric-only agencies out there except for the Tesla plan to let owners monetize their vehicles during owner downtime. Feels like a good market opportunity and the US Gov would probably subsidize the shit out of it.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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> It's also really hard to sell even a luxury sedan as an upgrade when everyone wants an SUV I don't want an SUV. I get angry at rental companies when they try to give me one. I increasingly don't recognize this country I grew up in with the car culture. In the early 90s nobody wanted SUVs either. The truck and SUV craze was apparently sparked by an emissions regulatory loophole, where larger vehicles were excempt be…

SUVs are popular because of the death of car culture. Car enthusiasts still like small sedans with handling and looks and etc. But the average person just wants the biggest, most comfortable car they can get for the money. I had a millenial co-worker ask me why selling a 2-door car was even legal these days.

I guess when I say car culture, I don't mean enthusiasts and tinkerers. I mean that general American culture is car-dependent. People think their car is very important and part of their identity. I see on social media all the time people say that lack of a car is a sign of struggle, that you haven't made it, that you can't be trusted. That sort of thing.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

#229
I have been almost exclusively renting electric cars since late 2022. This makes total sense.

Tesla is very strict about their parts distribution. They will only send parts to authorized Tesla service centers, of which there aren't that many.

This is extremely unfortunate for rental cars, as they get beat to absolute shit and are in a near constant state of repair.

I've rented several Teslas from Hertz and Avis. Almost all of them have had at least one visible non-OEM replacement part on them, and half of them had that part installed incorrectly. Examples:

- A replacement backup camera that was pointed way too far downwards. Because this car didn't have ultrasonic sensors, it couldn't do distance estimates reliably. Parking that thing was like going straight back to 2006 every time.

- A passenger-side window that didn't align with the top of the window frame, causing air to leak into the cabin and kW/h averages to skyrocket.

- Heaps of el cheapo tires. This isn't a problem specific to Tesla, but it's a worse problem with Teslas since their cabins are already loud as they are and non-EV-rated tires throw off energy consumption.

It's not _as bad_ with Hertz since they are a Tesla partner, but it's the wild west with other rental car companies. Teslas offered by Avis are almost entirely bought individually from who knows where and I think every single Tesla I've rented from Avis has had something up with it.

I can also believe their claim regarding low customer adoption. Most of Hertz and Avis's customers are business travelers on corporate expense accounts. When they want to rent a car, they need a car _now_ and do not want to worry about things like fueling and parking the car.

Teslas are a completely different experience from a "normal" car. Their interior is also very polarizing, especially now that Tesla is experimenting with a stalk-less steering wheel cluster. This makes it not only more difficult for rental car companies to put those cars to work, but it also adds toil in the backend from dealing with car returns and clogging the (almost always understaffed) reservation desk with exchanges.

Non-Tesla EVs are also impacted by this. Many business travelers just _won't_ with charging apps, especially when they only fuel the cars either just after getting them or just before returning them.

Re: Hertz to sell 20k EVs in shift back to gas-powered cars

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I've never tried to take a rental truly off-road but I've definitely had them on very unpaved roads they probably shouldn't have been on. You can get true off-road vehicles in locales like Death Valley but they're very pricey compared to a standard rental.

Drive it like a rental and don't destroy it, and you get away with murder. A lot of the "don't do this" rules on a rental are just so they can stick your insurance with the cost if you break it. In reality, if the damage is very slight and the person checking them in doesn't want to do the paperwork, it's going to slide. If you do drive off-road in a rental, wash it before returning it.

I've definitely had a number of minor scrapes etc. over decades and I've never once had an issue--though I've almost exclusively dealt with the larger companies for whom minor scrapes etc. are presumably considered normal.
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