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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by sfjailbird »

seanieb wrote: post #184
underdeserver wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering.

Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to the wheel (counterintuitively, as you want to go straight in the lane). If you are momentarily distracted (like having a relaxed conversation) and miss the warning, boom, DEFCON 5. Do that a few times and now the car will actively prevent you using autopilot, like an overbearing mother.

The feature that is supposed to make driving more enjoyable, instead ratcheting up anxiety towards almost giving everyone a heart attack. I drive other cars all the time and they do this fine. So weird.

*autopilot = I am just talking about cruise control + lane keeping, i.e. press down on the stalk. Not sure about the naming.

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Post by jeffrallen »

mdp2021 wrote: post #98
silisili wrote: post #51

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My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

> loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence Confirmed. Friends in the car maintenance business have witnessed for years a quality fall (materials etc). "Infotainment", I hope I will not have the experience (apart maybe from removing some), but my last car was the first one with a sound system that hissed.

I watch Sandy Munro sometimes. His comments on how to cut costs sometimes sound brilliant, and sometimes sound like a race to the bottom. I suspect that's the problem: even the experts don't know what the consequences of a certain cost cutting measure is.

At a polar opposite, I'm reminded of the wonder of walking across the Brooklyn bridge and thinking, "they don't make them like this anymore".

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Post by oblio »

nickpp wrote: post #116
bayindirh wrote: post #110

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I think Tesla embodies the SV mindset very well, even demonstrates it in a tangible form. They move fast and break things.

> They move fast and break things. You forgot the third: they (Silicon Valley) also change the world. For the better. Most of my (and my family’s) every day work and fun are coming from SV. I would not give it up for anything else. If occasionally breaking things is the price - I am more than willing to pay it.

There is this paradox of technology where despite a ton of technology it seems that productivity is not shooting up for society as a whole.

I'll try to find the article.

It looks more like technology is > wealth, which is SUPER scary since technology inherently allows concentration.

Facebook killed 1 million newspapers, yay, now 1 American corporation can siphon all those profits to... no one even knows where, since it's probably parked in some tax haven. It created 10k jobs paid 500k each by killing 10 million jobs each paid 60k. I'm not super convinced the end result is better.

Edit:

https://cs.stanford.edu/people/eroberts/cs201/projects/produ...

> The productivity paradox (also the Solow computer paradox) is the peculiar observation made in business process analysis that, as more investment is made in information technology, worker productivity may go down instead of up. This observation has been firmly supported with empirical evidence from the 1970s to the early 1990s.

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Post by marcus0x62 »

j4yav wrote: post #34
cyberax wrote: post #29

Tesla cars are interesting. The drivetrain and the battery are very reliable and will likely be never need service. But everything else is shitty. The construction quality, random breakages, neverending rattles are annoying. My Tesla spent more time in service than my partner's Toyota, and this includes regular oil changes.

This seems to indicate suspension problems are common, despite being part of the drivetrain: https://www.carscoops.com/2023/12/tesla-model-3-ranked-last-...

The only mechanical fault I've had with my model 3 in five years of ownership was the bushings in the front upper control arms (part of the suspension, for anyone unfamiliar with car suspension parts.) Tesla replaced the UCAs under warranty. This occurred at around 50k miles, which is a fairly early but not unheard of failure timeframe (normally, I'd expect UCAs to to last around 100k miles and for it to be a crap shoot as to whether the bushings or the ball joint fail.)

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Post by Geisterde »

sharps1 wrote: post #185
Geisterde wrote: post #69

I was just told last week that my tesla had a recall, I woke up the next day and the "recall" had finished installing OTA; I am not sure how the term SF is measured, but my instinct is that they are reaching. I know that subjective observations are biased, but at work I can divide people into tesla drivers and non tesla drivers, the former have never missed work claiming a car issue, the later has, every, single, one…

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-autopilot-recall-driver-mon... That recall still doesn’t fix the underlying issue with the autopilot.

The underlying issue is with the driver not paying attention to the road.

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #112
izacus wrote: post #94

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What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? Having a crap experience across the board isn't a redeeming feature you think it is.

> What does your poor choice of ICE cars have to say about Tesla though? That one of the tricks Tesla is figuring out is how to cook the books on these figures. I drive an ICE Subaru, and I love it. But some friends visited and didn’t tighten the gas cap once, which put the infotainment system into a fit, which put a bunch of other systems into a conniption, systems totally unrelated like ABS. (?!) The issue persiste…

> How was this recorded? User error.

This is clearly BS, since it was either coincidence or an electrical/systems problem. The shamelessness of making that claim that is incredible.

Some might question that this could be an electrical or systems problem, but the gas cap on my Kia, a relatively flimsy piece of plastic, will disable the car if not replaced properly. How does this manifest itself? With a check engine light on the dash.

This is the most stupendously idiotic misfeature in an otherwise well designed (and reliable) car.

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Post by waldothedog »

konschubert wrote: post #208
aeyes wrote: post #200

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This is not true, the Leaf was selling in the thousands before Tesla entered the Norwegian market in mid 2013. The Leaf was the best selling car of all new cars in October 2013.

Nobody in this world wants to buy a leaf. (At least not the original model)

Data point of one but: I did!

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Post by RedShift1 »

braza wrote: post #125
seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

I don't own a Tesla, but I have a relevant anecdote related to your post. I rented a Model 3 in Switzerland and while the car was drivable, I felt that the interior was cheaply made, giving the impression that I was driving a toy car. The car had a lot of plastic and whenever I drove over bumpy roads, there were cracking friction sounds everywhere. Additionally, the acceleration was extremely sensitive, making it dif…

The interior is cheap. Even my 10 year old BMW 1 series interior feels better and is much sturdier.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #219
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #148

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> 4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many If you’re constantly totalling them, sure. If you’re re-selling, it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles. I don’t. But I also don’t care that much for cars or driving; to each their own.

> it’s totally fine to show a preference for new vehicles If you don't care about your environmental impact. I'm getting tired of these talking points where you shouldn't assume any kind of responsibility for your "preferences".

> If you don't care about your environmental impact

My point is the environmental effect is de minimis. Possibly positive. The old car is still being driven, just by someone else. Given it’s an EV, it’s likely—on the margin—pushing an ICE vehicle off the road.

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Post by oblio »

vultour wrote: post #96
prmoustache wrote: post #71

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Aren't everybody using android auto (or its Apple equivalent) these days anyway? The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.

I have no reason to use it because my infotainment doesn’t suck.

I assume you're using Tesla. Do you live in one of their core markets? I doubt Tesla Maps or whatever it's called holds a candle to Google Maps for non-US, non-Western Europe regions.
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