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23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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It will be a cold day in hell before I ever submit to dna analysis of this nature. That doesn't stop my family from doing so, but I sure as hell will never.

So they've basically done it for you. Primary sensitive information is about is predisposition to hereditary disease. That's the same for you and your siblings.

I understand that but I can't control them so I must draw the line where I'm able.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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Why would you be angry at someone that didn't do anything that negatively affects you? Do you get mad at people that eat unhealthy food?

Yes actually

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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I continue to be surprised at the sheer number of people on HN who are more enraged at the victims for their "stupidity" than at the perpetrators (23andMe for ToS shenanigans and/or the hackers for the hack).

How are you getting that i'm "more enraged" at the victims? I'm not absolving the company of anything, I'm criticizing people who give something like their DNA to a random company naive and foolish

edit: I would have the exact same stance (and did and continue to) even if there was no hack

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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They probably know that it doesn't hold water legally. The hope is to victim blame as much as possible so that fewer people sue them in the first place. The next step will be to "remind" people about the TOS that they totally agreed to.

Exactly. Same reason construction vehicles have "Stay back 200 feet: not responsible for broken windshields" written on the back.

or the "Warranty void if removed" stickers on electronics, which are not legally enforceable in the US.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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This looks like a perfect class action case. There's really no physical harm or financial harm to the users, but a class action might be the only way for it to hurt. But IANAL, and probably have it all wrong in my head???

Why is it that in the US individuals have to band together and privately launch a class action to stop these types of parasitic behaviours. The government is supposed to represent the interests of citizens.

Lobbying. Citizens United. Disinterested populace.

Do you need a longer list?

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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This looks like a perfect class action case. There's really no physical harm or financial harm to the users, but a class action might be the only way for it to hurt. But IANAL, and probably have it all wrong in my head???

Why is it that in the US individuals have to band together and privately launch a class action to stop these types of parasitic behaviours. The government is supposed to represent the interests of citizens.

That's exactly why - we have a largely dysfunctional federal government (and most state governments aren't much better).

The biggest downside is the lawyers take a massive chunk of any award and the actual victims are often left with very little. Or, even worse, the victims get worthless coupons (like with many credit/PII breaches - the award will be 1-year of credit monitoring from the company that allowed the breach in the first place).

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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About 5 or 6 years ago, I thought about sequencing my DNA with them. I'm glad I didn't seriously consider it or actually go through with it.

Worth noting that 23andMe, plus many other low cost genealogy/health-focused companies do not sequence your DNA.

Instead, they perform what is called a genotyping microarray test, which looks at less than 0.1% of your genome.

To quote from 23andMe: "In order to be genotyped, the amplified DNA is “cut” into smaller pieces, which are then applied to our DNA chip (also known as a microarray), a small glass slide with millions of microscopic “beads” on its surface. Each bead is attached to a “probe," a bit of DNA that matches one of the genetic variants that we test. The cut pieces of your DNA stick to the matching DNA probes. A fluorescent label on each probe identifies which version of that genetic variant your DNA corresponds to."

Source: https://customercare.23andme.com/hc/en-us/articles/227968028...

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