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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #94
bluSCALE4 wrote: post #51

I personally feel like outsourced delivery for hot food orders at peak hours is a flawed idea. I've used Grubhub and it seems like they try to group deliveries. In my situation, I had a driver pick up my food only to drive it around down and deliver it to me 40 minutes later. If I order from a place and they don't have a driver on staff, I won't order delivery.

Seems insane that people living in inner cities need to get food delivered. Unless there is a good reason you are handicapped etc. or maybe just had a baby. But for most people routine delivery when you can walk 5 minutes and phone ahead that order is fine.

Call me insane, I like getting food delivered. Seems like a lot of the 8 million people in this city like it too.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by quickthrower2 »

standardUser wrote: post #221
quickthrower2 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems insane that people living in inner cities need to get food delivered. Unless there is a good reason you are handicapped etc. or maybe just had a baby. But for most people routine delivery when you can walk 5 minutes and phone ahead that order is fine.

Call me insane, I like getting food delivered. Seems like a lot of the 8 million people in this city like it too.

Sure. Remind me: How many people like alcohol, cigarettes, sugar etc.?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #17

Just curious what do you pay in Nyc for delivery? Must be at least 15 dollars then?

It varies by app and they obfuscate the numbers by calling some things delivery fees and others service charges, etc. And they highly incentivize you to subscribe for $10/month to get rid of most of those fees.

If you subscribe, you'll pay about $3-$6 in fees (factoring in the subscription cost). Without a subscription, more like $5-$9. Some restaurants will charge even higher delivery fees, like a flat $5 or $10 on top of the app fees, but they are the minority.

And then there is the tip, which everyone does differently, but I think/hope most people tip at least $3. I consider $4-$6 to be a good range, though I can't explain why. Some apps encourage bigger tipping with their presets, including percentage tipping (like 10%, 15%, 20%), which could easily be $15 or more if it's from an expensive place.

Overall, I'd estimate that most deliveries for 1-2 people cost from $6-$15 in fees + tips. I pay about $8 per delivery based on my ordering and tipping habits.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by kristjansson »

hoten wrote: post #12
koolba wrote: post #8

> Dashers who deliver in NYC will now earn at least $29.93 per hour of active time, nearly twice NYC’s $15 minimum wage for other workers. What’s a realistic amount of “active time” per hour? I’m assuming waiting for a job is not active time right? > These new regulations will force us to raise fees for orders in New York City. In order to better balance the impact of these new costs, we’re moving the option to tip i…

They should be forced to be honest and call it a bid, not a tip.

I know they want to control pricing, obfuscate things, take advantage, extract surpluses etc., etc., but the 'two-sided market' thing would be way more convincing with real legible price discovery. Let people that want their food _now_ throw in an extra $20 for the privilege. If someone in Long Beach wants something from SGV, let them pay whatever it takes to get someone to get someone to drive two hours. Give Dashers tools to build auto-bidding strategies that align with their preferences. Show people ordering what similar trips cost recently. This doesn't have to be an awful dystopic extractive system...

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by Draiken »

interactivecode wrote: post #203
darth_avocado wrote: post #155

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This was not very doable pretty much everywhere outside NYC. The lower density of restaurants made it harder for delivery to be a thing except all the pizza places that offered it.

Doordash could just employ delivery drivers to solve this problem. No need for a 100% at will temp work force. They could just hire people part time or full time. And if work is really that surgy they could just have workers on call. Why does “innovation” have to go hand in hand with fucked up labor practices?

Because we live in a capitalist society and profit is the only objective.

Not exploiting your workforce as much as you can is an almost guaranteed road to failure.

Imagine taking investor money and saying "I'll pay more to my workers so they can have decent lives". They'd oust you in a second. Same if you're in a publicly traded company.

The only possible way this doesn't happen is if you're running an already profitable private company, you're willing to grow at slower rates (which carries its own risks), your market allows it and you're not a sociopath.

That's a very rare combination.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #222
standardUser wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Call me insane, I like getting food delivered. Seems like a lot of the 8 million people in this city like it too.

Sure. Remind me: How many people like alcohol, cigarettes, sugar etc.?

I love alcohol. And what kind of inhuman monster doesn't like sugar?

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

multicast wrote: post #215
standardUser wrote: post #208

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In Germany and the Nordic states wages are largely controlled by the powerful trade unions, the likes of which do not exist in the US and likely could not exist under current labor laws. Without powerful trade unions to set the floor, we have minimum wages. The alternative - allowing poverty wages - ensures the success of business models that can only survive by employing workers who rely on state aid (or are otherwi…

> In effect, removing the wage floor just makes government bigger and almost everyone poorer. Nope, this is absolutely false, it is exactly the other way around. I am not quite sure what you are trying to accomplish with your whole comment. It neither makes sense nor is it strictly related to what I just posted. Did you want to debate an argument of mine, just post your personal views about labor in general or simply…

You advocated for abolishing the minimum wage. I advocated otherwise. My comment was a clear and direct response to what you wrote.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by hiatus »

koolba wrote: post #162
candiddevmike wrote: post #140

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And if you called the restaurant enough, you typically got on a first name basis with them and had incredible customer service. Now you're just another customer #47523 that created order #37324.

> And if you called the restaurant enough, you typically got on a first name basis with them and had incredible customer service. Also Caller ID isn’t that new.

I don't know about your experience but zero restaurants I've worked in had caller id.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by darth_avocado »

bigtunacan wrote: post #212
darth_avocado wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This was not very doable pretty much everywhere outside NYC. The lower density of restaurants made it harder for delivery to be a thing except all the pizza places that offered it.

That's a generalization with no supporting data. As an actual sample size of 1; I lived in a smaller city of only about 250k people and there was a huge selection of restaurants that offered delivery, not just pizza. Honestly DoorDash when it did come reduced restaurant profits, lowered quality of food delivered, and increased consumer costs. Zero advantage for anyone other than DoorDash unless you consider being abl…

That is not a generalization, that is actually a fact. Doordash and other delivery apps gradually added restaurants on their platforms and still add new ones regularly. The fact that this happened in itself is a proof that they didn’t have food delivery as an option before.

If you want more concrete data, you need to look at how McDonald’s did deliveries in Manhattan but not rest of the US until they partnered with food delivery apps. Most other fast food chains did not have their own delivery network either.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by syndicatedjelly »

interactivecode wrote: post #198
CydeWeys wrote: post #175

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The delivery vehicles being used in NYC are almost entirely e-bikes, so the expense is not as big as you might be thinking. It's certainly nothing close to the cost to gig workers for running an Uber car.

So does it include health and sick pay for when you get injured or older and you’re less mobile? Cycling all the time could be way more taxing than driving.

Sitting in a chair in a metal box is definitely worse for health than cycling all day
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