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Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by amai »

jalk wrote: post #133
amai wrote: post #119

+1 for this proposal. It is just unhealthy to permanently live in a wrong time zone and this proposal would fix that at least in europe.

By that logic it would be unhealthy to permanently move from Portugal to Spain.

"Some activists believe that the mismatch between Spain's clock time and solar time contributes to the country's unusual daily schedule.[9] They believe that the relatively late sunrises and sunsets shift the average Spaniard's day later than it otherwise would be, and that a return to its original time zone would help boost productivity and bring family and work rhythms into better balance.[10]" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Spain#Criticism_of_t...

But both Portugal and Spain are living in the wrong time zone, which is at least one hour off compared to natural solar time. So it most probably don't make a difference health wise if you move from Portugal to Spain.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by nurumaik »

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #187
mklepaczewski wrote: post #132

Serious question, why not adopt one timezone globally? For some of us sunrise would happen at 10pm, for others on 4pm. So what? Wouldn't we just get used to it? Is there any rationale for anchoring start of the day between 4am-8am?

https://qntm.org/abolish

>I want to call my Uncle Steve in Melbourne. What time is it there?

With timezones: google "what time is it in melbourne"

Without timezones: google "when morning starts in melbourne"

Didn't convince me a little

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by themoonisachees »

GoblinSlayer wrote: post #212
steveBK123 wrote: post #128

This almost feels like a false flag of proposing the most disruptive plan possible such that it couldn't possibly be approved, haha. Splitting & re-groupings are almost arbitrary and have no consideration for politics, business and culture. Ireland & N. Ireland in different TZ? France & Corsica in different TZ? Pushing Ireland & Portugal into their own TZ and calling it Azores time? Bringing UK into alignment with Sp…

Duh, just put all Europe in UTC.

This but unironically.

(Actually don't, this is what china does and it's not a very good time (hah.))

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Post by rlpb »

mongol wrote: post #168

All attempts to optimize society by changing time zones and adjusting for daylight savings time time should be abandoned. Let society set the schedule after a static time. With this I mean ordinary time zones and the same time throughout the year. Which approximately should correspond with the sun at its highest at noon. If someone prefers brighter mornings and darker afternoons, and someone else the opposite, the so…

I agree with this in principle but I also acknowledge that in practice it's not so easy. Changing the "official" local time means that every interaction is changed in a coordinated way. Otherwise you have times specified in contracts (eg. employment contracts), official school timetable hours, rush hour train schedules and a million other things that have settled together so that they coordinate, that is a huge social challenge to adapt in a coordinated way without huge disruption while that happens.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by mcnesium »

HN, please explain why everyone is so upset with having a time offset in the city/region/country next door.

In Germany, there are 16 states. Many of them have different laws, e.g. regarding store hours and so on. Neighboring countrys like Austria or Poland have even more conservative laws.

The difference between sunrise and sunset in Palermo and Oslo is almost 90 minutes twice a year.

There are tons of cultural differences between Europeans. In southern countries, people tend to stay up later in the evening and sleep longer in the morning than in northern countries (at least that is my impression from traveling).

In the continental United States, there are four time zones, none of which even pay much attention to state borders.

Still, everyone manages to live their lives, talk to people on the phone, commute from one place to the other.

So why are Europeans so afraid that the people they talk to might be an hour or two off?

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

jonathankoren wrote: post #203
DoughnutHole wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Ireland, our biggest business partner in Europe is still the UK. I don’t think we’ll be clambering to add friction to business with Northern Ireland and Britain so we can hang out with Portugal and Iceland.

Such European parochialism! Next you’ll be talking about how traveling more than 900 meters is an epic adventure. Trust me. You can deal with 3 hour time difference without even noticing.

Look, a couple of hundred thousand people commute across the border on the island of Ireland and there's huge cultural issues around basically everything. The Republic of Ireland would never be in a different timezone to the UK as long as part of the UK is on the island of Ireland. It's just not going to happen.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by rldjbpin »

this is just as ridiculous as the lengths countries have gone near the international date line.

just getting rid of dst seems most reasonable to me but iirc it has been prposed before without any success.

if the world is still ok with adjusting with time like taking 6 hour flights twice every year, then so be it.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by pharmakom »

highmastdon wrote: post #32

We (Europe) shouldn't fragment time zones that much. We (NL) should stay on permanent summer time. Reasons - criminality is lower when there's longer light - earlier darkness leads to more accidents. It's better to have longer darkness after the masses are RESTED (in the morning), opposed to when they're TIRED (in the evening) - longer day-time for office workers, is more productive - shorter time of year that has lo…

Counter argument: we need blue light from the morning sun to wake up properly.

Re: Proposal on implementing permanent time zones in the European Union

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Post by blitzar »

jonathankoren wrote: post #203
DoughnutHole wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On Ireland, our biggest business partner in Europe is still the UK. I don’t think we’ll be clambering to add friction to business with Northern Ireland and Britain so we can hang out with Portugal and Iceland.

Such European parochialism! Next you’ll be talking about how traveling more than 900 meters is an epic adventure. Trust me. You can deal with 3 hour time difference without even noticing.

Trust me. A 3 hour time difference could be the greatest ever efficency hack that would 10x the majority of your workforce performance (10x's stack for your 10x employees as well).
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