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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by eastbound »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #205
eastbound wrote: post #190

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And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

2 clicks to turn them off mate.

I’ve searched for so long that I found the documentation of Mozilla saying, on the day of the release, that no, the shortcuts on the home page, can’t be removed.

Today I can see that the ads shortcuts can be removed: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy

Unfortunately, Firefox is still an ads machine. They keep coming up with “WE PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY” dark patterns to make us gobble up ads.

The worst is getting downvotes every time we point this out. Firefox defenders are extremely bad-faithed, they can’t have a rational discussion about Firefox having mere drawbacks, especially they can’t hear that Firefox misdirects users about privacy and ads.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by Ballas »

sharps1 wrote: post #95
derefr wrote: post #15

Two questions I haven't seen addressed by any coverage of this change: 1. Will the ultimate removal of Manifest V2 support affect other Chromium-based browsers, or only Chrome itself? If the support for Manifest V2 isn't removed upstream in Chromium, but only disabled in Chrome, then I would expect that we will end up in a world where other browsers (e.g. Edge, Brave, Opera) continue to allow the installation of Mani…

Edge is following chromes lead. Vivaldi and Brave are going to maintain the code so at least uBlock Origin can work. Nobody knows how this will play out as the forks won’t want to stray faraway from the chromium code as that would add a lot of overhead. I tried a bunch of the forks, didn’t like Vivaldi, don’t like some of Braves crap, and won’t use the Chinese browser Opera. Ended up moving our family back to Firefox…

Other users have mentioned containers, but you can also launch firefox from the commandline with different profiles (or via about:profiles).

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by vikaveri »

eastbound wrote: post #221
idonotknowwhy wrote: post #205

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2 clicks to turn them off mate.

I’ve searched for so long that I found the documentation of Mozilla saying, on the day of the release, that no, the shortcuts on the home page, can’t be removed. Today I can see that the ads shortcuts can be removed: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/sponsor-privacy Unfortunately, Firefox is still an ads machine. They keep coming up with “WE PROTECT YOUR PRIVACY” dark patterns to make us gobble up ads. The worst i…

Who's we?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by mkl »

eastbound wrote: post #190
vlod wrote: post #181

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Welcome to Firefox. We have cookies!

And ads! Mandatory shortcuts for Nike and Amazon on the homepage! Then ads saying Big Browser Watches For You! Then ads saying we respect privacy! Then a suggestion to open a Mozilla account and synchronize all your history! Because we respect privacy!

Firefox sync uses end-to-end encryption: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-firefox-sync-keeps-..., https://github.com/mozilla/fxa-auth-server/wiki/onepw-protoc....

There's nothing mandatory about the initial shortcuts - just remove them. It's trivial to change your search engine to Duck Duck Go too.

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Post by bonzini »

idonotknowwhy wrote: post #206
bonzini wrote: post #165

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Gecko is not worse, though it used to be worse before Electrolysis landed. It's just that Mozilla Corp is mostly kept alive by Google so might as well remove the indirection and go straight to the browser that Google maintains

How much money do you reckon it costs for just the Firefox browser? I know Mozilla waste a lot of effort on projects like Firefox OS, the Firefox mobile, politics, etc. But the actual browser it's self and it's hosting? I just wonder if they end up dropping Manifest V2, if a patron model would work to maintain a fork properly...

Those projects exist because they are within the scope of Mozilla Foundation, which is wider than just building a browser.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by linza »

SuperCuber wrote: post #142
linza wrote: post #72

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It's very subjective, but I won't try switching again before certain things I value in Chrome are available or work similar well on Firefox. You can switch based on ideology alone but I want convenience more than that.

What things are you talking about? I haven't used chrome outside of work for years, so forgive my ignorance

I recently switched to Firefox and the main blockers for staying on it were a bad experience with syncing of passwords and such a across devices, the UI (i found a nice fix but it's tedious to setup), and no app-mode.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by linza »

nmilo wrote: post #118
linza wrote: post #72

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It's very subjective, but I won't try switching again before certain things I value in Chrome are available or work similar well on Firefox. You can switch based on ideology alone but I want convenience more than that.

Ok so if you're not going to switch then don't talk about it. Google will continue to make Chrome shittier and more user-hostile much like every product they've ever released since they were founded and people like you will continue to go "yeah but what about app mode or whatever." It's not ideology, it's history.

You want to censor me because i have a different opinion than yours?

I assume you have good intentions and want to advocate for Firefox and have it have wider adoption. I want the same thing, but it's imo not enough that Chrome gets shittier (it doesn't in my opinion btw in terms of UX), Firefox needs to become better to win.

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Post by flir »

paulcole wrote: post #79
flir wrote: post #52

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There's an evangelist effect - Apple benefited from it a lot way back when (less so now). Where techies lead, others tend to follow. That 2-5% might be the first few pebbles in the avalanche.

The “techie” “evangelist” network effect is a thing of the past. Today it’s all about mobile. Nearly everybody uses their phone for everything and they aren’t making choices about which software to install on their personal laptop.

I think that's fair, actually. Appliances, not computers.

But why the scare quotes?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by augustulus »

P-Nuts wrote: post #184
augustulus wrote: post #134

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Safari itself supports extensions

Not Firefox and Chrome extensions though, only a much more limited selection

right, but Firefox only supports Firefox extensions and Chrome Chrome, so what’s your point?
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