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OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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a link to the letter from employees https://www.axios.com/2023/11/20/openai-staff-letter-board-r... curious to have clarity where ilya stands. did he really sign the letter asking the board (including himself?) to resign and that he wants to join msft? to think these are the folks with agi at their fingertips

He is publicly regretful: https://twitter.com/ilyasut/status/1726590052392956028

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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> The people asked for anonymity because they are not authorized to share internal matters. Their identities are known to Business Insider. why would you say that second sentence? what's it supposed to signal, except "our sources asked for anonymity, and we're respecting that for now "?

It indicates that BI and the authors verified these sources were current OpenAI employees instead of some unaffiliated novelty account on a RP spree, and have staked their reputation to that claim. Standard journalism stuff.

i usually see this as " confirmed the source's authenticity", or some variation. the difference between that familiar phrasing and the one here was enough to grab my attention. that the journalist knows (currently) the source's "identity" is not the part a reader cares about: that the journalist confirmed (past tense) the "authenticity" of the information they're reporting is. most probably i read too much into the variation of phrasing here: editor's acting under time pressures, and all that.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Giving 2 people the same project? Isnt this like the thing to do to get differing approaches and then release the amalgamation of the two? I thought these sorts of things are common. Giving different opinions on same person is a reason to fire a CEO? This board has no reason to fire, or does not want to give the actual reason to fire Sam. They messed up.

Also when a project is vital to a company, you cannot just give it to one team. You need to derisk

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

More evidence the layoffs are 100% BS. Suddenly there's surplus headcount and magical budgets out of nothing, all to accommodate several hundreds of people with way-above-market-average TCs. It's almost like they were never in danger of hurting profit margins in the first place.

You can lay people off without being in dire straits.

Yes, but that doesn't make it any more ethical especially since most layoffs over the past year aren't merit-based at all.

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Neither of these reasons have anything to do with a lofty ideology regarding the safety of AGI or OpenAI’s nonprofit status. Rather it seems they are micromanaging personnel decisions. Also notice that Ilya Sutskever is presenting the reasons for the firing as just something he was told. This is important, because people were siding with the board under the understanding this firing was led by the head research scien…

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Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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Giving 2 people the same project? Isnt this like the thing to do to get differing approaches and then release the amalgamation of the two? I thought these sorts of things are common. Giving different opinions on same person is a reason to fire a CEO? This board has no reason to fire, or does not want to give the actual reason to fire Sam. They messed up.

Happens all the time. Teams of people at Google work on the same features, only to find out near launch that they lost to another team who had been working on the same thing without their knowledge.

How does that work? Do they have the same the same PM, requirements? Is it just different tech / achitectures adopted by different teams. Fascinating

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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> One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project. Have these people never worked at any other company before? Probably every company with more than 10 employees does something like this.

wait so can't SA sue for wrongful termination if everything is as bogus as everyone is saying? same for MS

Re: OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sam Altman was fired

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1) Where is Emmett? He's the CEO now. It's his job to be the public face of the company. The company is in an existential crisis and there have been no public statements after his 1AM tweet. 2) Where is the board? At a bare minimum, issue a public statement that you have full faith in the new CEO and the leadership team, are taking decisive action to stabilize the situation, and have a plan to move the company forwar…

Yes these people should all be doing more to feed internet drama! If they don't act soon, HN will have all sorts of wild opinions about what's going on and we can't have that! Even worse, if we don't have near constant updates, we might realize this is not all that important in the end and move on to other news items! I know, I know, I shouldn't jest when this could have grave consequences like changing which uri you…

No serious company wants drama. Hopefully OpenAI is still a serious company.

A statement from the CEO/the board is a standard descalation.

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