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Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by lifthrasiir »

timeon wrote: post #213
lifthrasiir wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not correct. The surrounding code gives some more context: h=document.createElement("video");l=new Blob([new Uint8Array([/* snip */])],{type:"video/webm"}); h.src=lc(Mia(l));h.ontimeupdate=function(){c();a.resolve(0)}; e.appendChild(h);h.classList.add("html5-main-video");setTimeout(function(){e.classList.add("ad-interrupting")},200); setTimeout(function(){c();a.resolve(1)},5E3); return m.return(a.promise)})}…

It is still better to wait 5s without ad than with ad.

It has to be a background check, otherwise you can't explain cases (like me) where the code is running but users never noticed any delay.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by BlueTemplar »

hollowturtle wrote: post #186
ploum wrote: post #170

Another "Youtube is doing shit" thread and yet not a single mention of Peertube. https://joinpeertube.org/en So for all people uploading videos, please have a look at Peertube. It is to Youtube what Mastodon is to Twitter. (and more: it is compatible with Mastodon, one can subscribe to your Peertube channel through his/her mastodon account). I’m not arguing to leave Youtube completely but to offer an alternative to y…

I'd love to see real competition to YouTube. I'm afraid this seems not, the UX isn't great, homepage is useless, you need to click on Browse content then enter some keywords on a blank page, search results limited to 2 items and then you need to click on "Display more videos". I might be to used to youtube homepage, for me it's perfect I get videos right away and suggestions are good. I'm pretty sure this project, Ma…

Please send this to the Peertube developer. Consider also that until recently it's likely that having videos load fast on peer2peer and adding features like streaming likely had a higher priority than interface polishing.

But you might be asking for something impossible : the focus is on the different servers, and having a "suggested videos" page is seen as an anti-feature because it involves making an "algorithm", at which point you are editorializing, become (legally !) responsible for what you select, and are close to become a platform yourself, something that you started out by fighting in the first place !

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by SiempreViernes »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #148
bluescrn wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I ran into the adblocker-blocker (Firefox + uBlock Origin), I noticed that I could watch videos if logged out. So I just stayed logged out, and haven't seen an anti-adblock message since. Or an ad. Added bonus, I'm less tempted to venture into the comments section...

I'm using Firefox + uBlock Origin logged in and it works totally fine. Maybe Youtube removed the anti-adblocker on select accounts? I remember I once entertained myself with writing a report in which I sounded like I'm sitting in a retirement home and have no clue what's going on with "ad block." Did perhaps someone actually read this?

I think you have simply been lucky, the full story is that uBlock Origin and Youtube have been tying to outpatch the other, with uBlock rolling out a bypass to the filters every one-two days since late October (https://github.com/stephenhawk8054/misc/commits/main/yt-fix....).

Depending on if you've set up uBlock to auto-update and when you've watched youtube relative to when the block filters got updated you might just not have been hit with the latest detectors while they were active. Personally I know I got the "accept ads or leave" modal with firefox + uBlock, locking me out completely on one of my devices.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by varispeed »

I don't understand this. If people don't want to or need to buy anything and they don't want to see ads, because this is pure simply a distraction and won't sway them into buying anything, then what is the point of forcing them to watch ads?

Furthermore, I wish regulators have gone at YouTube like a ton of bricks. The ads they show are mostly from various kind of scam artists. My friend is a bit naive, but fortunately she asked me for an opinion whether she should invest her savings into the programme offered by one of "gurus" advertising on YT. She even gone on a few of their webinars and became as you would say, brainwashed. The kind of way you see in a cult. Fortunately there was still some worry running around her and she asked me to check before transferring £20k. You can't imagine how much effort it took to tell here these guys are fraudsters. Now she is onto another scheme and now she tells me that I just don't want her to invest the money, because I think everyone is a fraudster and these are the good guys! Then she showed me testimonials from apparent "clients" how they got rich. One person looked familiar and I actually found them on Cameo. She tried to say maybe this is just that person's side gig etc. and she does not talk to me.

I really really hope someone or some organisation get to the bottom of this kind of harmful and dangerous content.

YouTube is a scammers paradise and YouTube wants more people to fall for these things.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by MiddleEndian »

bluescrn wrote: post #51
m4tthumphrey wrote: post #7

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This is interesting as I had noticed this happening to me (in Chrome) when the anti-ad-blocking started. I assumed that it was YT's way of "annoying" me still while no ads were shown... It was eventually replaced with the "You cant use Adblockers modal" and now I just tolerate the ads. So I wonder if that 5s delay has always been there.

When I ran into the adblocker-blocker (Firefox + uBlock Origin), I noticed that I could watch videos if logged out. So I just stayed logged out, and haven't seen an anti-adblock message since. Or an ad. Added bonus, I'm less tempted to venture into the comments section...

One of the benefits of ublock origin for me is blocking the youtube comments section, along with all of the video overlay elements.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by [deleted] »

dschuetz wrote: post #17
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #4

While the EU has recently forced Microsoft to allow users to uninstall pre-installed crapware, Google is apparently unhindered in their ongoing (and succeeding) mission to take control of all layers of the consumer-facing internet.

For now. Google is working on making a premium internet based on their services that permeate the whole web which they plan to serve only to "trusted devices" running Chrome - I do not think this is going to work out well for them.

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Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by joelanman »

foob wrote: post #219

I use Firefox, and Google's sites are literally the only ones where I consistently have issues. There was a period of about a month this summer where Google Maps was just completely broken for me, the map wouldn't update at all when attempting to search or pan. There was recently a several day span where chat in Gmail had a 10+ second input lag due to some font-related JavaScript code spinning the CPU nonstop. It's l…

Gmail has recently become extremely slow for me in Safari on a well specced M1 max

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by MereInterest »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #210
MereInterest wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sort of behavior should be an open-and-shut case of false advertising. You were told that the video would be a certain resolution. You gave money as a result of that statement. You received an inferior product to the one that was described.

Isn't that fraudulent? Its amazing how an individual can commit fraud one time and its FRAUD! But a company can do the exact same thing en masse as like a business model over and over and its only ever a misunderstanding that they get a chance to correct and a gentleman's handshake. aAnd even if they didn't, it seems impossible to adjust the dial from civil to criminal as its often left in the consumers hands. Its no…

To my not-a-lawyer understanding, it is fraudulent. Fine print is allowed to clarify an offer, but may not substantially alter the offer as originally made.

I could see an argument made that a reasonable person would know an offer to be limited to supported platforms, and that the fine print clarifies which platforms are supported. To me, though, I’d draw a line between unsupported due to underlying limitations (e.g. can’t serve 4k video on a NES) and unsupported due to seller-side limitations (e.g. won’t serve 4k without remote attestation). I’d see the former as a reasonable clarification of the offer, and the latter as an unreasonable alteration of the offer.

Re: YouTube slows down video load times when using Firefox

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Post by Jensson »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #204
Jensson wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have done such research before, Google published this at a time when developers were all "100 ms more or less web load time doesn't matter". Since then webpages has gotten much more focused on performance. https://blog.research.google/2009/06/speed-matters.html

The dog slow load times of ad infested AMP pages would suggest otherwise.

The prevailing developer discussions going from "Load speed doesn't matter, stop complaining about useless stuff" to "load times matters, but here we choose to make it slow for other reasons" is a massive improvement though. Today speed is valued, it wasn't back then.

There are many such tests being written about in blogs today. So now a developer can get time to optimize load times based on those blog posts while before managers would say it was worthless.

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