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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by makapuf »

romafirst3 wrote: post #179
convexstrictly wrote: post #84

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"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

Seriously, do we honestly believe 80 hours a week coding is a good thing. What, is he this bad at coding. What about he spends 4 hours a week coding cause he’s so good at coding. Way more impressive.

80h a week doing stuff does not prove your level at it, it proves your work capacity.

Being good at something lies in the result and/or appreciation of your work by skilled pairs, which also seem to be there.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by jddj »

dorkwood wrote: post #160
lannisterstark wrote: post #19

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Doomerism when it comes to technology has always been such a weird mindset to me. "oh no, they're gonna take the horses/horse buggies/telegram/landlines away!" "Goddamn, how dare they invent the bigger cannons!?" - Romans, 1453, in Constantinople probably. (One incident where I can use my exempt powers).

I agree. Critics will say something like "but don't you think it's sad that a machine was trained on the work of artists without their permission, and is now decimating the lives of the very artists who made its existence possible in the first place?". And, I agree, on its face it does sound sad. Very sad. But what these critics need to remember is that progress has always been a good thing, all throughout history. I…

Counterpoint: dogma often led to dark times.

We could try to think a little more deeply about things than "let jesus take the wheel"

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by smcl »

Tohhou wrote: post #58
lazystar wrote: post #44

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AI art is already boring. its all a fad, eventually the cracks start to show and you can't unsee those cracks. very similar to bitcoin. tbh.

You're one of the ones who used to call bitcoin "buttcoin" didn't you? Very sure of yourself, very wrong.

Come on man, we're all on the AI hype train now. Get with the program, you're one bubble behind!

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by karmasimida »

KaiserPro wrote: post #168
karmasimida wrote: post #8

Well it begins. OpenAI will be a shell of itself in very short time. Advice: you can't win over a narrative, which is what Sam has become. People and resources will come to him, by themselves.

I mean yes, but also no. the dataset is the crucial bit of openAI. that takes a lot of time and money to make. So its perfectly possible for openAI to carry on innovating without these people. But equally, it could turn to shit. However, Sam isn't jesus, so its not like he's going to magically make another successful company.

Fair, it is still developing.

But I think one thing is certain, he WILL create another AI company. It seems very unlikely he would quit the business.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

konschubert wrote: post #208
aidaman wrote: post #148

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IdK Satya might sense there's a wounded gazette in the midst, and starve OpenAI for funds, and pick up the pieces.

I don't think microsoft has the culture to be competitive on the cutting edge of AI. If they try to integrate OpenAI, they will suffocate it.

So did Google some with DeepMind. All the big innovations were at DeepMind, and then they got bought, stifled and absorbed. Big companies have a hard time innovating, so buy it.

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Post by mindesc »

nvarsj wrote: post #177
sasaf5 wrote: post #140

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I am either skeptical or envious of such claims. Someone coding so much would quickly be launched into meetings to communicate one's results and to coordinate with others. It would be my life's dream to spend 80 hours per week coding without having to communicate with others... but no one is an island...

It's possible, but harder than almost any other role. There are people at Google/Meta like this. Usually E7/E8 levels, "coding machines". It's much easier to go into a pseudo PM/TL/Director role though to hit those levels and income, so it's uncommon. You really have to have a passion for coding to put in the hours and be very good at it. Incredibly rare, believe it or not. Lots of people think they are good coders b…

It could be also a sign of dependency hoarding and making you the bottleneck of the whole project. Bad architectural decisions, narcissistic need of importance or both. With those hours your partner starts to date with your friend. With experience I can assure you that position is not worth it. Not for you and not for the project. You end up draining your imagination. Over fitting is emerging in programming like it is emerging in the machine learning.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by aryamaan »

thekoma wrote: post #137
MattRix wrote: post #12

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Perhaps you could argue that he wants to stick with Sam and the others because if they start a company that competes with OpenAI, there’s a real chance they catch up and surpass OpenAI. If you really want to be a voice for safety, it’ll be most effective if you’re on the winning team.

One funny detail is that the OpenAI charter states that, if this happens, they will stop their own work and help the organisation that is closest to achieving OpenAI's stated goal.

really?
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