Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

9to5mac.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

221–230 of 729 posts

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#221

Post by hocuspocus »

no_wizard wrote: post #209
hocuspocus wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I hope the GSM association moves fast to make robust E2EE a standard required for proper implementation for carriers. This is pretty moot now. Google has effectively turned RCS into a proprietary protocol, they fully control the only relevant server implementation, carriers that want to interconnect have no choice but to deploy Jibe or use Jibe as a service.

This could possibly open an avenue for another party to show up around this. Google de facto having reign on this is because they're the only company in this space that cared enough about it to get it moving. Apple supporting RCS could create enough interest that it breaks their de facto control of the standard

Yes maybe. While I understand Google's frustration, the number of carriers that implemented Universal Profile independently was not zero though, and in the end it was for nothing.

I know from a friend that Facebook was looking into integrating RCS to Messenger (not Whatsapp somehow) and willing to be part of the Google federated RCS network, that also fell through, but I don't why.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#222

Post by criddell »

willseth wrote: post #184
criddell wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It will be interesting to see what color they choose for RCS. Right now, blue indicates an end-to-end encrypted message and green indicates not encrypted. Even when messaging between two Apple devices you can get a green bubble if, for some reason, the message is routed over SMS. If it were up to me, encrypted RCS would be blue and not-encrypted RCS would be green.

Does E2EE RCS even exist, or is that just Google bolting E2EE over RCS for users of their specific Messages app?

Google added it.

I can’t imagine all of the carriers cooperating on key management. That’s probably why some carriers have opted to use Google’s solution instead of their own. I would guess encryption isn’t an option if your carrier isn’t in this group.

FWIW, the 350+ page standard is here: https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/wp-content/uploads/2019/...

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#223

Post by nerdix »

voidwtf wrote: post #87
simse wrote: post #26

This is great to hear. Apple should be selling phones because their phones are better, or iMessage is, not because of social pressure, which is crazy.

What if the social pressure, is in part, a result of the better experience one gets with iMessage? Photos, videos, group messaging are all a significantly better experience with iMessage in my experience. This is not to say that other apps don't offer a similar experience, you can achieve much of the same functionality on Telegram or WhatsApp. It's just that it's built into the phone. Google might have achieved simil…

Mobile messaging should be either be interoperable or cross platform. And any messaging platform that is tied to one mobile operating system is user hostile.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#224

Post by toast0 »

Invictus0 wrote: post #195
sonicanatidae wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love when people comment on the color of a text message. It makes it real easy to know who to block, because they worry about entirely the wrong things.

There's no one to block, you just won't be included when the groupchat is setup. Big problem for teens.

Personally, I'm happy to be left out of those, groupchat via MMS is awful. But then I'm not a teen, and when I was a teen, I was happy to be left out of a lot of things too.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#225

Post by suddenexample »

Anyone have an idea what features the "RCS Universal Profile, the standard as currently published by the GSM Association" actually entails for users in terms of feature support?

I know E2E encryption isn't a part of it, but was having trouble finding information about whether the Universal Profile includes other features like replies, read receipts, typing indicators, reactions, voice messages, etc.

As an aside, this is huge but the media is really milking the clickbait when reporting "the end of green bubble shame" - even if Apple were to support all of the above features in their RCS implementation, I'm sure they'll keep the bubbles green. They've always been adept at designing for user psychology.

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#226

Post by smartbit »

lxgr wrote: post #86
crazygringo wrote: post #60

What a surprise! I'm quite sure RCS bubbles will be green though, and that's still going to be enough of a difference when it comes to teen groups and even adult dating. The EU may mandate interoperability, but I don't see them mandating bubble color...

They don't need to. Almost nobody uses iMessage in the EU, since everybody is on WhatsApp.

More than 10% of europeans use iMessage, enough for EU Digital Market Act to force Apple to adopt RCS and thereby trying to circumvent opening iMessage itself

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#228

Post by FactolSarin »

system16 wrote: post #38

> This will work alongside iMessage, which will continue to be the best and most secure messaging experience for Apple users," said an Apple spokesperson. I could be wrong but I don’t see anything here to suggest non-iMessages will no longer have the “green bubble” like the author assumes.

I wonder if there will be a third color, maybe purple?

Re: Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year

#230

Post by TerrifiedMouse »

throw0101a wrote: post #33

> Breaking: Apple will support RCS - the green bubble shame set to end Note that the green bubble could be kept for other reasons: RCS is a major improvement over SMS/MMS, but there could still be functionality that isn't on par with a completely in-house system like 'iMessage'. The green/blue distinction may still be useful for setting certain expectations on how things work.

If carriers can charge per RCS message like they do with SMS/MMS, usually after X amount used a month, Apple needs to make it a different color from iMessages which they provide for free.

People have to know if they are using free iMessages when talking to other people or if they are using up their SMS/MMS/RCS quota.

Edit: Maybe charging for SMSs is not a thing in your country but it is in mine. If I see a green bubble I would be mindful of the number of messages I send because after 200 SMSs I going to get charged per SMS.

Post reply on HN