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After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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I know what you mean but I can't help but imagine a 60 year old man pointing at the camera and saying, "Get back to work, Steve."

Now that's targeted advertising!

I can think of something even more evil. What if ad networks allowed the advertiser to SUBSCRIBE to events generated by the ad viewer. For example, XYZ Toothpaste Inc gets a web hook that Targeted Consumer 123 has just started streaming TV Show "Foobar".

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I sometimes spam Youtube’s “visit website” button. Just to cost them money. Now Youtube thinks I’m really interested in [that ad from that day] and now shows me all competitors.

I think polluting the data with random shit is the way to go. The mix of ads becomes somewhat entertaining, including the knowledge that I'll never buy any of this stuff.

That was the point behind AdNauseam, I think.

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I sometimes spam Youtube’s “visit website” button. Just to cost them money. Now Youtube thinks I’m really interested in [that ad from that day] and now shows me all competitors.

I think polluting the data with random shit is the way to go. The mix of ads becomes somewhat entertaining, including the knowledge that I'll never buy any of this stuff.

Get ad nauseam if you want to scale this

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Google has started to do the same thing making my nvidia shield a paperweight to me.

Highly recommend installing FLauncher[1] as an alternative to Google's ad-filled TV home screen. Just a nice simple icon grid. [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=me.efesser.fla...

I did this and am very happy with it. Android TV doesn't make it easy though.

The only thing remaining is to disable certain buttons on my remote, especially the huge google assistant one. It's easy to hit accidentally, and then suddenly the content gets obscured by google begging me to set up an account and configure the voice assistant. Haven't found a great solution for that yet.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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> The changes [showing more ads for money] mirror similar moves from others in the TV maker industry. Tbh this is every industry at this point and its driving me nuts.

Some product categories are nearly monopolies too: - Garage Door Openers. Chamberlain (also Liftmaster). They have like 80% of the market. Its them or Genie. Almost everyone else got out of the market. Decent products with OK prices. Competition would bring prices down some but not by a huge amount. However they are desperate to generate MRR and so despite originally having openers with WiFi and local APIs they've lo…

"But companies will emerge to compete!"

Maybe someday, we can hope.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Yup. People always complain that the AppleTV is too expensive vs the competition, but stuff like this is exactly why.

I’ve had Roku, FireTV, and Chromecast, and I have had hdcp and/or performance issues with everything but Apple TV. I hate that I’ve turned into something of an fanboy but Apple TV follows the same old story from Apple: expensive but it consistently just works.

Try the Plex app on your TV.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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If you own a FireTV stick or display you'll notice that the FreeVee streaming app has started to become more and more prominent. It's deceptively simple - they are taking old shows like Murder She Wrote and streaming them non-stop on a "channel" much like the old terrestrial broadcast networks did. They're solving the streaming problem for older customers that don't grok Netflix or Hulu. These shows take pseudo-comme…

PlutoTV is the same. I used to put on the Geek & Sundry channel and get ads from my employer.

Terrestrial cable is the same, too. I had a normal cable package for awhile (around 2020) and the advertisers clearly knew that my wife was in a particular medical category.

Same w/ IPTV services like SlingTV, which I also used for a little while.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Now that's targeted advertising!

I can think of something even more evil. What if ad networks allowed the advertiser to SUBSCRIBE to events generated by the ad viewer. For example, XYZ Toothpaste Inc gets a web hook that Targeted Consumer 123 has just started streaming TV Show "Foobar".

It's not quite what you're describing, but look up demand side platforms. At scale, advertisers are given the opportunity to bid on real time events.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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I bought a dumb TV from Walmart a few months ago (65" 4K). The brand is Sceptre. Picture quality is pretty much the same as any other 4K TV that you will get for I am not the kind of person that is willing to spend $1000+ on a TV and I don't expect to get the same audio/video quality as that kind of TV will offer. But at my all-in price of about $500, it is outstanding package. We've got an AppleTV, a Wii-U, and a DV…

Even on really high end televisions the built in sound is usually pretty terrible. A sound bar is table stakes these days for sure.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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The trick is to never give your TV access to the internet and to pair it with an Apple TV. If you buy a TV and it won't even boot or work without an internet connection - return it and get a different one.

Meh, I own an LG CX and I have never seen a single ad on it - the app integration is so good I can't imagine needing to mess with another device just to use streaming services. Just don't buy ad-ridden crap from Samsung and others, I guess?

Perhaps some models don't but I don't think it's a free m given.

https://www.extremetech.com/electronics/320778-how-to-stop-l...

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