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EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by nunez »

lefstathiou wrote: post #168
mjburgess wrote: post #147

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The ability to aggregate personal information of large numbers of people is a form of political power. Facebook can, if it so wishes, provide a list of all gay people in an area; all supporters of gaza or of israel; all people who have recently commented on an article about drugs. The very ability to provide that list previously required an expensive secret police; today it does not. This is an extremely dangerous ab…

Yes, as can Apple, Google, every cable company, every telecom, the credit card companies, Grindr, health clinics

Apple Google and Grindr aside, those industries are heavily regulated to prevent exactly this

Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by crtasm »

shadowgovt wrote: post #196
poisonborz wrote: post #139

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Wait until you read about Cambridge Analytica.

Cambridge Analytica basically didn't work. For all the data it collected, it amounted to trying to build political influence by reading tea leaves. The strongest decider in the outcome of the 2016 election is that the Trump campaign spent something like a factor of three more on advertising across the board than the Clinton campaign. Cambridge Analytica was more representative of the notion that the Republicans were…

What's your view on their effect on elections in other countries?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#Elections

Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by irusensei »

mrtksn wrote: post #218
irusensei wrote: post #217

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> The more European point of view is that companies are run by greedy people on who we have no control and we need the government to keep those in check. I don’t remember electing you to represent the point of view of “we the European people”.

That’s because you didn’t. You are free to write counter opinions and make an observation of your own, no need of holding an official title. I hope I was able to demystify this situation. You are welcome.

> This very American point of view

> The more European point of view

Its almost like you are discussing about objective facts.

Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by jeppester »

n_ary wrote: post #215

Disclaimer: Individual EU opinion not reflective of whole continent. I am very very happy to look at all the ads and even personalised ones, as long as those are not overly obnoxious and mostly (obviously-)scammy. If I have to scroll through endless ocean of ad with my actual priority(friends and family posting something) drowned out at the very bottom of my feed, I will naturally stop clicking any ads. All we need i…

non-personalised ads != random ads

It is still perfectly possible to place ads in meaningful contexts.

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Post by LightHugger »

konschubert wrote: post #177
LightHugger wrote: post #100

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When you realize that large enough corporations are a form of government, your way of thinking really starts falling to bits... But, the government is the solution to when business gets too much power. You can't convince a profit motivated corporation to stop doing something evil as long as it's profitable, so it's the government's job to protect people from corporate governance.

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Large corporations often do have a private police force outright. They can control existing police forces as well via funding and influence. Same with judicial systems.

Please google Corporatocracy... it's just obvious when you put some thought into it, an organization that has so much control over your life and is governing people is a government, and therefore large corporations can be a form of government.

And like, have you never read dystopian fiction in your entire life? Pretty much every society in dystopian fiction is governed by corporations, so it seems like there exists a failure of imagination on your part as well..

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Post by mliker »

xlii wrote: post #97
kwanbix wrote: post #6

I know in HN there is a big "personalized advertising" is bad sentiment, but I don't get what the problem is. I mean, if I am looking for a notebook, I rather have FB/IG (or Google or whatever), show me adds of a notebook that I might end up buying, instead of the generic poker/porn adds that we had on the beginning of the internet. It is almost impossible to have a free internet without ads. So on one side, people w…

A scenario from today, context: I don't have Meta/Facebook/Instagram account, my spouse has. We were discussing haircuts in the morning and I showed her some photos online. 15 minutes later she opened Facebook and saw hairdresser commercial with THOSE EXACT haircuts we were discussing. I was using iOS with no-track and adblocker on top of that. My guess is that link was made using IP address. Meta/Facebook was proces…

I think this scenario can be described by how upper funnel advertising works, which is that you were exposed to those haircuts in the recent past through general advertising and your spouse, who has similar interests to you by virtue of being your spouse, would be a target for the same type of ad campaign.

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Post by pb7 »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #174
dr_dshiv wrote: post #122

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Why should it be illegal? I don’t understand the moral threat. Personally I feel that privacy gets too much airtime as a value — I see lots of other more direct issues (like political manipulation) that will remain an issue even with “strong privacy.”

> Why should it be illegal? I don’t understand the moral threat Okay, then it should be legal for me to use Facebooks/Google's 'Intellectual Property' however I want. Why should it be legal for them to steal my data, but illegal for me to use their's?

They’re not stealing it, you’re giving it to them in exchange for using the products for free.

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Post by mrtksn »

irusensei wrote: post #223
mrtksn wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s because you didn’t. You are free to write counter opinions and make an observation of your own, no need of holding an official title. I hope I was able to demystify this situation. You are welcome.

> This very American point of view > The more European point of view Its almost like you are discussing about objective facts.

I find it silly to write “this is my opinion” every time I write something, apologies for the confusion. I thought that it’s obvious that I’m speaking for myself I don’t claim speaking on behalf of an institution or anyone else.

Re: EU data regulator bans personalised advertising on Facebook and Instagram

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Post by pb7 »

staunton wrote: post #195
konschubert wrote: post #177

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We live in an age where the idea of large corporations is still fairly young (much younger than governments) and where governments are much stronger than corporations. However, if Google could get away with running a police, I think it's pretty obvious they would. This judicial system would benefit their commercial interests and ignore any semblance of "right" you might think you deserve. A shadow of that situation i…

> However, if Google could get away with running a police, I think it's pretty obvious they would.

Absurd premise. It might be obvious only to those deluded into thinking that being shown relevant ads in order to use products for free is some sort of tyranny.

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Post by cornedor »

renegat0x0 wrote: post #212
lefstathiou wrote: post #168

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Yes, as can Apple, Google, every cable company, every telecom, the credit card companies, Grindr, health clinics

Credit company does not have microphone near your bed, they do not know which posts you like, or not, they do not have all your mails, and not necessarily know where you drive and how often. Keeping all of the data under one company umbrella is vulnerable, target for hackers, and easy target for governments. Your post is not correct.

> and not necessarily know where you drive and how often.

They do tough. They know where you refueled/charged your car, hotels you've booked. Not only that, but they also know if you donate money to your local mosque/synagogue, spend just a bit too much at a liquor store, etc.

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