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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by hackideiomat »

layer8 wrote: post #199
shiroiuma wrote: post #149

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The US is nothing if not inconsistent. The car-selling thing is due to state laws, not federal, and really the result of corruption: the dealerships are politically connected. The showerhead thing is due to environmentalism, so the US does sometimes make regulations with that impetus. There's no environmental aspect to banning targeted advertisements; it's purely social.

> There's no environmental aspect to banning targeted advertisements; it's purely social. Arguably, the process of targeted advertisements consumes more power.

Look at your adblock stats. Now imagine most of these scripts probably would have loaded even more stuff if you didn't block them. Depending on the sites I visit, I have like 30% of my web traffic removed.

AdBlock is an environmental thing! And true, I don't wanna know how much these "real time bidding on ad space" things cost to operate, energy wise.

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Post by finnjohnsen2 »

Someone wrote: post #2

Nitpick: the title if this article currently is “Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU” Either “Entire” shouldn’t be there, as Norway isn’t in the EU, or “EU” should be “European Economic Area” ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area ). My Norwegian is almost nonexistent, but I think it’s the latter. It makes more sense to my understanding of law (why else would a Norwegian…

I agree it's a bit sloppy but understandable (for me) since legislation/directives is where we (Norway) is most aligned with the EU. As adapting EU directives is a part of the EEA/EØS deal (with some exceptions).

As for other central EU features like open market, currency, sovereignty (particularly naval), freedom of movement, we are on the outside of the union and I wouldn't sloppily consider or phrase us an EU country.

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Post by martin8412 »

fsckboy wrote: post #182
Barrin92 wrote: post #99

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>scandinavians are no different from other people Household consumption as a % of GDP in Norway is 30% compared to 68% in the US. The Norwegian public sector produces 70% of Norway's GDP. You're underestimating to what extent these policies reflect real differences in how countries are run. In the good old USA Facebook et al are allowed to do what they do because people keeping those credit cards busy is what keeps t…

Norway has a ton of publicly owned oil, on an industrial scale. You aren't establishing that that isn't the explanation for all of it. When Europeans come to the US, they largely behave like Americans, they fit right in. What Europeans need to stop doing is telling themselves that they're different.

A ton of oil they sell, but don't spend the money from. The oil money is simply invested. They're one of the largest funds in the world. The government of Norway can spend 3% per budget year under certain rules, but rarely do. The first time it ever happened was in 2016.

When the oil runs out or demand for oil disappears, Norway won't plummet into poverty unlike a lot of other oil rich countries. The oil certainly made them rich initially, but their reluctance to spend money derived from oil will keep them rich.

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Post by soco »

seabass-labrax wrote: post #210
bluelu wrote: post #191

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It's a double standart again. Newspapers lobbied the EU that it s allowed for them (not sure if it was changed at the end). But if you go to a large european newspaper site (eg spiegel.de) then it explicitely asks you tha you pay to access it or you must agree to behavioral advertising. But facebook should not be allowed to do this.

I loath Spiegel just as much as any other online privacy advocate, but I'd always assumed they were simply in violation of the GDPR. Can you provide any references indicating that this is the result of a special exemption due to successful lobbying?

Many German sites do that too - nothing that I use daily to remember names, but I see that choice between ads and pay rather often. And I usually choose to leave, but not always...

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Post by alkonaut »

mrweasel wrote: post #211
alkonaut wrote: post #207

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The whole adtech vs. hand-crafted ad systems is a big question for small site owners who can't be asked to sell their own ad space etc. But Meta is in a very special position. They have enough user data to pinpoint ads without having to trade data with anyone. They are large enough that they can easily manage all their ad sales in-house. They if anyone should be interested in really strict regulation. Because if ever…

> The whole adtech vs. hand-crafted ad systems is a big question for small site owners who can't be asked to sell their own ad space etc. Could the ad networks scan the site instead and use the content on the pages to determine likely target audiences? You could still do ad networks, and target audience, based on the site that they are currently on. The current version of adtech is pretty damaging to society as a who…

> Could the ad networks scan the site instead and use the content on the pages to determine likely target audiences? You could still do ad networks, and target audience, based on the site that they are currently on.

Yes. But it simply doesn't work as well for most cases as targeting based on what you watched on netflix yesterday, googled last tuesday, and what products you had in your shopping basked last year but removed before you checked out.

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Post by javier2 »

2c2c2c wrote: post #64
javier2 wrote: post #27

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Its not the ads thaaat much. Its the absolutely obscene lenghts these companies have gone to to track every single detail you do over the entire web and connected it all, then they even sell this to third parties. I would be more open if the tracking was sandboxed to the current website and not used to create other businesses as well.

> then they even sell this to third parties do they? isn't this the secret sauce?

The AD targeting they sell is based on this tracking connecting you across sites

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Post by mrweasel »

alkonaut wrote: post #225
mrweasel wrote: post #211

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> The whole adtech vs. hand-crafted ad systems is a big question for small site owners who can't be asked to sell their own ad space etc. Could the ad networks scan the site instead and use the content on the pages to determine likely target audiences? You could still do ad networks, and target audience, based on the site that they are currently on. The current version of adtech is pretty damaging to society as a who…

> Could the ad networks scan the site instead and use the content on the pages to determine likely target audiences? You could still do ad networks, and target audience, based on the site that they are currently on. Yes. But it simply doesn't work as well for most cases as targeting based on what you watched on netflix yesterday, googled last tuesday, and what products you had in your shopping basked last year but re…

I'd still love to see the statistics that shows that hyper targeted ads are more effective to any reasonable degree.

What I'm currently browsing seems more relevant in many cases, as compared to which sites I visited last week.

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Post by avgcorrection »

fsckboy wrote: post #182
Barrin92 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>scandinavians are no different from other people Household consumption as a % of GDP in Norway is 30% compared to 68% in the US. The Norwegian public sector produces 70% of Norway's GDP. You're underestimating to what extent these policies reflect real differences in how countries are run. In the good old USA Facebook et al are allowed to do what they do because people keeping those credit cards busy is what keeps t…

Norway has a ton of publicly owned oil, on an industrial scale. You aren't establishing that that isn't the explanation for all of it. When Europeans come to the US, they largely behave like Americans, they fit right in. What Europeans need to stop doing is telling themselves that they're different.

> When Europeans come to the US, they largely behave like Americans, they fit right in. What Europeans need to stop doing is telling themselves that they're different.

America has military bases all over Europe. I’m going to arbitrarily decide that you need to establish that that doesn’t explain what you have been experiencing.

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Post by avgcorrection »

martin8412 wrote: post #223
fsckboy wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norway has a ton of publicly owned oil, on an industrial scale. You aren't establishing that that isn't the explanation for all of it. When Europeans come to the US, they largely behave like Americans, they fit right in. What Europeans need to stop doing is telling themselves that they're different.

A ton of oil they sell, but don't spend the money from. The oil money is simply invested. They're one of the largest funds in the world. The government of Norway can spend 3% per budget year under certain rules, but rarely do. The first time it ever happened was in 2016. When the oil runs out or demand for oil disappears, Norway won't plummet into poverty unlike a lot of other oil rich countries. The oil certainly ma…

True but frankly doesn’t matter to the online commentariat. Norway is a tiny country that most people don’t know anything about, but if they do know that it is an oil state then that becomes the explanation for literally everything. Even traits that are exactly like Sweden and Denmark are because of Oil.

Disclaimer: guess my passport.

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Post by logifail »

hackideiomat wrote: post #216
tempaccount1234 wrote: post #208

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You can, but if you decide to stay away from messengers like WhatsApp, you miss out. Which is OK unless you have kids in school age. Once a service gets so big, that you are practically forced to join, regulation seems like a very good idea

teach your kids signal?

> teach your kids signal?

Getting your own kids to switch messenging client is fairly trivial. Then they can talk to you (and to each other).

The network effect means you then have to persuade other kids, and parents, and sports coaches, and music teachers and ... to switch.

(Source: have three kids and we have exactly this issue)

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