Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize • Hacker News Board

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by lolinder » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

LindeBuzoGray wrote: post #148

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through Iran had a parliament in 1953, when the US and UK launched operation Ajax after the prime Minister nationalized Iran's oil. The prime Minister was ousted, a dictator replaced him - who returned to Iran on a flight with Allen Dulles. The conservative mullahs were western allies in removing power from the parliament. Then this st…

Your reply is a complete non sequitur.

This is a prize awarded by the 2023 Norwegian Nobel Committee, appointed by the Norwegian Parliament. The oldest member of the committee was 4 years old in 1953, and all five are Norwegian, not American or British. The person who received the award is an Iranian woman.

Why the hell is the bad behavior of the CIA in 1953 relevant to this discussion? "The West" is not a monolithic entity that should be held accountable as a single unit indefinitely for evil things done by two countries 70 years ago.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by the_bookmaker » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:29 PM UTC

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

> It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect.

Nice can also mean silly and ignorant, as any well-aged dictionary would tell you. [0] We are reflecting, on the corruption and politicization of our institutions.

> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better.

Essentially the same Bush-era "plight of the Afghan women" kind of appeal to emotion to justify corruption, interventionism, and war [1].

Also, I'm pretty sure you don't really know much about the political situation in Iran. Mohammadi belongs to a political faction called the Reformists [2], which is filled with regime apologists and charlatans. More specifically, she belongs to a particular branch which is sometimes called Neo-Shariatism [3]. Shariati himself was the "ideologue of the Islamic Revolution" [4], and a full-fledged charlatan who used to falsely claim to have a PhD in sociology from Sorbonne [5].

Mohammadi is currently a political prisoner, but that obviously isn't something which merits a Peace Prize. I'm sure that there isn't a shortage of political prisoners in the Islamic Republic.

[0]: https://www.websters1913.com/words/Nice

[1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/specials/attack...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Reformists

[3]: https://era.library.ualberta.ca/items/6b552565-6ff8-45a0-a0e...

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Shariati

[5]: http://www.shariati.com/bio.html (Compare this with the Wikipedia article, which says he got a PhD in Persian. Even that is dubious.)

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by beebeepka » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

lolinder wrote: post #221

LindeBuzoGray wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through Iran had a parliament in 1953, when the US and UK launched operation Ajax after the prime Minister nationalized Iran's oil. The prime Minister was ousted, a dictator replaced him - who returned to Iran on a flight with Allen Dulles. The conservative mullahs were western allies in removing power from the parliament. Then this st…

Your reply is a complete non sequitur. This is a prize awarded by the 2023 Norwegian Nobel Committee, appointed by the Norwegian Parliament. The oldest member of the committee was 4 years old in 1953, and all five are Norwegian, not American or British. The person who received the award is an Iranian woman. Why the hell is the bad behavior of the CIA in 1953 relevant to this discussion? "The West" is not a monolithic…

Are we still talking about Nobel peace prizes here?

Even Obama got one.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by webmobdev » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

jansan wrote: post #3

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

The prize is supposedly awarded to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." Hmmm. Well. I don't quite see how formenting revolution fits the bill, but the Peace Prize has been very strange of late in general. By its own lights, I don't see a single person or entity who would…

> the Peace Prize has been very strange of late in general. Remember when a man received the Nobel Peace Prize for not being George W. Bush?

Obama getting the Nobel peace price was when I realised what a big political joke the whole thing is (and I admire Obama!).

It is very clear that it is just another political tool used by the west - Gandhi did not get the award because the British government lobbied hard against him. Imagine, the man who advocated for peaceful political resolutions throughout his life, who was the architect of the non-violent political movement that inspired 100's of millions in his own country and other foreign leaders to embrace it too for their local political cause, is considered "not worthy" of the very thing that this "Peace" prize seeks to bestow recognition upon.

The founders of the Non-Aligned Movement also deserved the peace prize for refusing to get involved in the cold war politics (a very black and white way of looking at international politics). I am sure there are many more good examples, around the world, of people who deserved this prize but weren't seriously considered (or deliberately omitted) because of western politics.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by catlover76 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

the_bookmaker wrote: post #222

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

> It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Nice can also mean silly and ignorant, as any well-aged dictionary would tell you. [0] We are reflecting, on the corruption and politicization of our institutions. > Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to…

Almost everything you said is basically irrelevant to the point put forth by the person to whom you are replying.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by parthdesai » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:37 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #200

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

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Oh, yea, I remember. Remember when he started droning civilians all over the Middle East anyway, just because they might have been linked to Al-Qaeda? The same Al-Qaeda US supported and trained a couple decades before that.

> The same Al-Qaeda US supported and trained a couple decades before that. Al-Qaeda was formed after the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, the US did not support and train al-Qaeda as such.

If you're going to make claims with such authority, please have the correct information. Sure Al-Qaeda was formed after the Soviet withdrawal, but it consisted of very members that US and Pakistan (ISI) helped in their fight against Soviet union, including Osama Bin Laden.

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Afghan_Arabs

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by catlover76 » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:39 PM UTC

potatototoo99 wrote: post #180

Tao3300 wrote: post #153

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Ok? Where's this going? We're not supposed to care now because the CIA did some shady stuff a million years ago?

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> It is obvious there is much more attention and criticism on Iran than other regimes you are not supposed to care, and you don't even need to look very far.

Everyone always acts like it's some kind of conspiracy that their most-hated governments don't get sufficient criticism or that their favorite governments get more than a fair share of criticism.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by the_bookmaker » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:39 PM UTC

lostlogin wrote: post #219

the_bookmaker wrote: post #164

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Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving? I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time. The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat.

> Do you really think this recipient isn’t deserving?

Yes. What is the concrete achievement being celebrated here? Especially regarding to doing "the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"? [1]

> I think you’ll find that the peace prize has been political for a very long time.

> The giving of it to Kissinger is going to be hard to beat.

I broadly agree with both of your points here. Perhaps in an ideal word, nobody would have cared about the prize. But at least we can try to shame them for making ridiculous choices.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by lostlogin » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:40 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #132

ReptileMan wrote: post #14

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But the world is just as peaceful (or peaceless) as before her activism. Now if she actually overthrew or forced the government to reform - it would be different. But award should be given for results not efforts.

It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize. Truth is, the most peaceful transitions are usually military coups. 'Peacefully' won transitions are often the bloodiest. Fear is a terrible thing, but it does lead to effective peace. With the Nobel Peace Prize, it's usually a coin toss between moral martyr, future genocider and someone who did impactful work towards peace. The best example…

> It does feel more like the 'Western moral prize' rather than a Peace Prize.

Iran, China, Afghanistan et al are welcome to start their own prize.

I see that China’s Confucius price seems to be disbanded after getting offside with their government.

Recipients include Putin.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucius_Peace_Prize

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by mardifoufs » Fri, Oct 06, 2023, 6:42 PM UTC

klyrs wrote: post #213

ReptileMan wrote: post #15

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Martin Luther King won. Iran is still the same. Subtle difference.

This sounds a lot like Trump's dismissal of John McCain. A true coward's take.

Rather be a coward than a blood thirsty war hawk like McCain was.