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Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by JohnMakin »

macinjosh wrote: post #165
JohnMakin wrote: post #159

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I have a deadman switch where if I don’t log into a service for 90 days it sends all my passwords and information to my closest living relative.

If you'd be willing I'd be interested to know more about how you did this.

My system is a little custom and complicated and tailored for me specifically, but basically my device periodically sends a ping to a service I built in cloud. I also have something like the google inactive account manager set up which is probably easiest for most people who use gmail:

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/3036546?hl=en

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

zo1 wrote: post #144
praseodym wrote: post #84

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Call the deceased person's bank to cancel all credit cards in their name and that's taken care of.

You'd think it's that easy. Some places literally are unable to do anything unless you're some sort of "signatory" or the actual account holder. No amount of if, buts, maybes, and certified/stamped copies of death certificates will convince them. I couldn't even cancel the health insurance company's recurring payments after a death. And they had the audacity to send a "how was your hospital stay" questionnaire to the…

> And they had the audacity to send a "how was your hospital stay" questionnaire to the account holder's email after they were "discharged" by the hospital.

That feels like an email that deserves an honest response:)

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by artogahr »

tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #209
artogahr wrote: post #200

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The point is you don't remember them, they become second nature, intuition, and you just sort of... do it without thinking. Assuming you've given time to learn it, editing with vim takes less mental effort and is faster.

Do you have any source for that claim? I had a coworker who swore that X was the fastest way to do Y. Turned out it wasn't and X just made him very busy hitting keyboard quickly.

I don't have a paper I can cite you, however if you talk to vim users most will tell you they feel more efficient and less friction compared to "normal" way of editing code. There's a reason this program is so popular and there are vim keybindings for any popular editor, after all.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by cgeier »

earth2mars wrote: post #198

Why so many people love vim? I have a genuine question. I was trying to delete contents of a file and paste new content. It was nightmare for me to remember the 3 or 4 finger combination shortcuts with small and cap letters involved during the process. I like if the shortcuts using Ctrl or shift or Alt or Command or Windows buttons over 3 finger with caps changing keys. The cognitive load in remembering shortcuts is…

Don't think about it as a way of "shortcuts", but as a language of sorts. Yes, it will take some time to learn.

While I'm a heavy vim user myself, I'm not sure if it really makes me more productive. But it is more fun to me than, e.g. working with VS Code.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by 40four »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #217
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #209

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Do you have any source for that claim? I had a coworker who swore that X was the fastest way to do Y. Turned out it wasn't and X just made him very busy hitting keyboard quickly.

As a vim user, I am 100% convinced that I am not that much faster than my colleagues who use normal key binds. However, I subjectively feel a lot less friction editing with vim keys than I do with the mouse and arrow keys. So Vim makes me happier...

This is the way I look at it. The productivity claims are probably a bit overhyped. For me Vim is just simply fun! It makes me think of the best way to do something, and there is always something new to learn. It makes me happy as well :)

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by tuwtuwtuwtuw »

medeshago wrote: post #216
tuwtuwtuwtuw wrote: post #209

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Do you have any source for that claim? I had a coworker who swore that X was the fastest way to do Y. Turned out it wasn't and X just made him very busy hitting keyboard quickly.

What source can he give you? It's clearly a personal annecdote that is shared between a lot of people that use vim. What kind of source are you thinking about?

I don't know, I'm not the one who made the claim that X was faster than Y.

Are you saying that studying how efficient various text editors are for some groups of people is not possible?

Here's what I believe to be an example of some study on how text editors compare:

https://mjambon.github.io/vim-vs-emacs/

Not saying that this is a good study - I haven't even read it. Merely providing it as an example that at some point a study has been made in this area.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by DicIfTEx »

flobosg wrote: post #206
DicIfTEx wrote: post #125

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Useful checklist: https://getyourshittogether.org/ Others in this thread have talked about safety deposit boxes and buried crates. I'd add that you can just give some trusted party a normal encrypted USB flash drive, and eliminate the risk of getting absolutely rinsed out in the event of a house burglary by splitting the password amongst an arbitrary number of your other contacts using the Shamir's Secret Sharing alg…

Additional links: * What to Do Before You Die: A Tech Checklist – https://archive.is/6vjqQ * Cheat Sheet For If I'm Gone – https://archive.is/lnWX6 – https://github.com/christophercalm/if-im-gone/blob/main/exam... (HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31748553 )

Also https://g3rv4.com/2022/04/using-shamir-secret-sharing which includes a link to an easy-to-use SSS tool that can output shards as QR codes.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by jefftk »

majewsky wrote: post #124

Can someone copy-paste the text, please? I cannot read it because Google hates Firefox users apparently. EDIT: The Internet Archive has a functional copy. https://web.archive.org/web/20230810094255/groups.google.com...

Not a Firefox-specific issue; I don't see it loading in Chrome either.

Re: The Future of the Vim Project

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Post by layer8 »

fortunateregard wrote: post #17

What is it that prevents the rest of the vim community from adopting neovim? From what I can observe, a great deal already have. But for the folks holding out, what is it that outweighs all that neovim has to offer?

By now the two have diverged enough that switching configurations between both is an issue. Vim is still much more widely available (installed by default) than Neovim, which makes it the obvious choice to maintain your configurations for if you don’t specifically care about Neovim features. Furthermore, additions like Lua support, while pragmatic, make Neovim feel less organic to me.
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