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Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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For an intelligence officer, I would say, yeah, you should probably never be high or drunk. Maybe "never been high/drunk" is too strict. If you're mopping the mess hall, you can probably go home and have a six pack if you want. Just not on the job...

What!? That’s absurd. Have you considered the practical implications of that for even a moment? Who takes that job?

Puritanical nutcases would be my guess.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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"Proxy war" implies the US put Ukraine up to this. The US did not. Russia put Ukraine up to it by invading them.

The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded.

> The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded.

It’s worth remembering that this war actually started close to a decade ago and not in 2022.

Based on that it does sound like the US got involved around the time Russia invaded.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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You may want to look up WW1 & WW2 or even Ukraine ... The US isn't in war. No declarations have been made. No draft is required. No war shortages exist.

This is needlessly pedantic. Technically, yes, the United States hasn't "Declared War" in the style of a president standing before congress making a speech. Instead, the country has been engaged in "police actions" authorized by congress, which (at least to me) is a distinction without much of a difference. > No draft is required. The draft was re-instituted during Vietnam, so the presence of selective service isn't…

A war shortage would be because we're using our resources to produce war equipment. We have chip shortages because Russia is attacking Ukraine so they can't export neon gas to chip fabs. That's not something we're doing.

And "supply chain issues" obviously aren't the same thing as "shortages"; a traffic jam at the port is a supply chain issue.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Tell that to all our infantry who aren't in any danger. Selling used military equipment is not being at war.

Tell this to the loved ones left behind by those killed in "not war".

Who?

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I wouldn't. Hard-drinking military leaders have a good track record, e.g., U.S. Grant, whereas the world has little or no experience AFAIK with high leaders.

You mean to say that there isn’t as big a public record of leaders consuming illicit substances?

Good point, but regardless of the reason, there remains the lack of a publicly-documented track record.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…

I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.

I worked at a California startup that got aquired by a huge east coast corporation. At the all hands where the east coasters were introduced, one of them announced that we would all have to get drug tested within 2 weeks. We just looked at each other and then slow rolled them for the next month, lol. Eventually we all went and got tested together and no one got fired.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #181

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> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?

So why is getting shitfaced the night before flying a plane or jumping in a 20 story crane okay but not smoking a joint?

How would you know that someone smoked a joint the night before or 5 minutes before the shift?

With alcohol, breathalyzers provide an easy way to immediately detect the impairment.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #210

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> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?

> Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery? As long as they are rested and alert when on the job, there is zero reason to care what they do in their private time off.

Again, how would you make sure that they don't lie about it?

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #181

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> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?

So why is getting shitfaced the night before flying a plane or jumping in a 20 story crane okay but not smoking a joint?

The FAA prohibits pilots from drinking 8 hours before a flight. They further recommend 24 hours of abstention. It’s not okay, Zircom.

https://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/pilotsafetybrochures/media...

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #222

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The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded.

> The US has had a heavy hand in this situation for a decade. You can argue that it's the right thing to do, but it's not like the US just got involved once Russia invaded. It’s worth remembering that this war actually started close to a decade ago and not in 2022. Based on that it does sound like the US got involved around the time Russia invaded.

I mean, a decade ago Ukraine was de facto Russian territory.
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