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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by bevesce- »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #217
bevesce- wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm eating vegetarian food most of the time, with an exception from time to time. I've tried doing vegan. Vegan food can be tasty or even very tasty. No vegan food is as good as steak or cheese. Another thing is that I have no idea how to eat enough protein, on vegan diet, without feeling terrible.

Respect for trying. Don't feel the pressure having to change all at once. You can gradually reduce. Cheese is actually not that good for you [0], but yes it's tasty. Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. [1] [2] [0] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he... [1] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/pr... [2] https://gamechangersmovie.com/

> Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders.

I'm sure that anything is possible for highly motivated individuals for whom eating enough protein is one of the main parts of their lifestyle. I just don't know how to translate it to everyday cooking for a family.

Tofu and other soy products are not easily available where I live. I'm not sure if doing extra driving or ordering online from another country would be net positive.

Nuts are protein dense only when you count them by weight (grams protein per gram) but not that great by energy (grams protein per kcal).

I could eat beans and lentils for every meal but that's from where the part about feeling terrible comes.

It sounds like a list of excuses but it is something that is actually, for me, a daily struggle and source of stress.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by candiodari »

anothernewdude wrote: post #220
candiodari wrote: post #188

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Energy is why we burn fossil fuels. Energy is an input to everything. So this is about less consumption, or to put it another way: a drop in income. Let's say 10% less income for you, without you getting any compensation for it in any way. Other than reduced global climate impact. Of course, you'd have to actually destroy that 10%, if you leave it on a bank account the bank would lend it, or the government would use…

Inflation has done that already.

That doesn't count. That's just a way to redirect money towards loan repayment. For it to work you'd have to use it to pay people to do nothing that otherwise would have done a job. You'll need to destroy economic value without destroying natural resources.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by geraneum »

candiodari wrote: post #186
geraneum wrote: post #114

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I doubt the same people who won’t accept a decline in quality of life by reduced oil consumption will be thrilled with the consequences of the alternative.

You mean what's predicted to come tomorrow, and has little to no effect today? Anti-carbon policies however, will have immediate effects felt today, for benefits tomorrow ...

This is our natural tendency, to seek the quick rewards but we are intelligent beings, capable of planning.

The same arguments can be made for future of your own children, retirement plans, planting trees, long term investments, etc. Yet these are not as controversial and we accept them, more or less, as generally good practices.

This natural instinct on its own is not enough to make people forget the coming danger. You need constant advertisement, news cycles, opinion pieces, disinformation campaigns, etc. to make it stick.

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Post by satysin »

Obscurity4340 wrote: post #216
_l4jh wrote: post #94

Anecdotal story time. We have a family villa in Spain about an hour and a half south of Alicante. We just got back from two weeks there like we do every year. The heat and humidity this time was the first time it was too much so that we didn’t enjoy our time there. We’ve had this place 21 years. Yes it’s Spain and it’s always hot which is why we bought it but this year was something else. The mix of both very high te…

How much do you think you could get for it on the market? Is that in consideration after your experience this year?

It is certainly something that is more on our mind however I don't know if we will do it anytime soon. Our first change will be to go at different times of the year when it is more comfortable.

We have always avoided August as it's never been a nice time to visit due to the heat as well as being much busier due to the school holidays.

As for it's value I don't know if I am honest. It hasn't been something we've looked into in a very long time so I really have no idea.

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Post by Daishiman »

ghiculescu wrote: post #3
Daishiman wrote: post #2

The cascading events that might lead to the end of organized nation-states in many parts of the world due to climate change look like a real possibility now.

What sort of events do you forsee?

Drought and flooding happening in many places in the world destabilizing grain prices.

Agricultural risks consolidating ag into even more megacorps.

Insurance costs making a lot of currently habitable places uninsurable, and after a few natural catastrophes nobody willing to settle in them.

Wet-bulb temperatures making the deaths of a few hundred thousands of people a frequent occurrence in many parts of the world.

Marine die-offs making the source of cheap high-quality protein in many places no longer accessible and lowering nutrition in several human populations.

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

satysin wrote: post #225
Obscurity4340 wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much do you think you could get for it on the market? Is that in consideration after your experience this year?

It is certainly something that is more on our mind however I don't know if we will do it anytime soon. Our first change will be to go at different times of the year when it is more comfortable. We have always avoided August as it's never been a nice time to visit due to the heat as well as being much busier due to the school holidays. As for it's value I don't know if I am honest. It hasn't been something we've looke…

I say that because property values in areas like that are likely to be on the decline and it might be a sooner is more kinda thing to pay attention to that

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Post by uxcolumbo »

bevesce- wrote: post #221
uxcolumbo wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respect for trying. Don't feel the pressure having to change all at once. You can gradually reduce. Cheese is actually not that good for you [0], but yes it's tasty. Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. [1] [2] [0] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/he... [1] https://www.pcrm.org/good-nutrition/nutrition-information/pr... [2] https://gamechangersmovie.com/

> Plant based foods provide enough protein for athletes and body builders. I'm sure that anything is possible for highly motivated individuals for whom eating enough protein is one of the main parts of their lifestyle. I just don't know how to translate it to everyday cooking for a family. Tofu and other soy products are not easily available where I live. I'm not sure if doing extra driving or ordering online from an…

Our requirements for protein isn't as high as claimed by the majority of the fitness industry or actually meat & dairy industry.

Read the PCRM article about protein I posted further above, it has more info about this. PCRM is a group of doctors and other medical experts.

Where are you based?

If you live in a region where you can't survive without meat or dairy then you've got to do what you have to do to survive.

My comments are mainly geared towards regions where the majority of people consume meat & dairy because of taste pleasure, not because they need it to survive.

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Post by RagnarD »

defrost wrote: post #46
RagnarD wrote: post #41

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Leaving aside the small matter of your entire take here being utterly wrong, there's this: > Even since the last ice age, within the existence of humanity, seas have risen 120 METERS. It had absolutely nothing to do with human activity. Do, seriously, check your sources. Now, go to the actual papers they cite. Now read them very very carefully. Do they actually say that global sea level changed by hundreds of metres?…

Let's see, here's a link from the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (versus the zero links and puffed up posturing from you.) Even including a helpful grasp of sea levels over the past 25,000 years with various meltwater events which - gasp! - caused the seas to rise.

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/2007_gornitz_09/

"Climate warming is expected to result in rising sea level. Should this occur, coastal cities, ports, and wetlands would be threatened with more frequent flooding, increased beach erosion, and saltwater encroachment into coastal streams and aquifers. Global sea level has fluctuated widely in the recent geologic past. It stood 4-6 meters above the present during the last interglacial period, 125,000 years ago, but was 120 m lower at the peak of the last ice age, around 20,000 years ago. A study of past sea level fluctuations provides a longer-term geologic context, which can help us better anticipate future trends."

Then there's the countless places worldwide with undersea artifacts right by the new coastline, submerged as sea levels rose. The close proximity would have caused the areas to rise along with the currently dry land, so it wasn't that, was it?

Looking forward to more empty posturing devoid of facts, from you.

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Post by RagnarD »

jemmyw wrote: post #77
RagnarD wrote: post #41

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Cool so now that you've informed climate scientists these facts about the Earth what changes do you foresee in the results? Or... or maybe at least some of the scientists actually know some of these things? Oh man, what happens if actually most or all of these so called climate scientists actually know about these things? That's going to be really embarrassing for you. If you asked a few of them and it turned out the…

Nothing I posted is actually controversial to actual geologists and climate scientists. It's deluded leftist goons who've had too much of their own kool-aid who think so.
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