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Re: FedNow Is Live

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Funny thing about topics like this is that people of any given country is oblivious to how other countries have solved that problem, or the challenges other countries face, or inturn the problems that they themselves face. Regarding payment systems specifically, people generally don't realize what they're missing. Pick anybody from anywhere and they'll tell you they've been able to do everything they ever wanted to d…

When I lived in Japan twenty years ago, everybody just wired money electronically and checks were long obsolete. In the US, I write checks every week or so. They also had a system where you would put your checkbook into the teller machine and it would print your credits and debits into the book for you. It was very convenient. On the downside, the ATMs were turned off (!) during national holidays, so you had to get cash beforehand.

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FedNow is a replacement for ACH which is an ancient, creaking monstrosity. If we can't ever replace or fix old, busted infrastructure because of conspiratorial rambling, we are fucked as a civilization.

I’ve seen a lot of crazy conspiracy theories reveal themselves to be true in the past five years. Apply some critical thinking on this. Governments and corporate elites worldwide are salivating over the level of surveillance and control that a CBDC will enable.

Ah so we are fucked as a civilization.

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Imagine being paid in a ‘programmable’ currency that your employer (or government) decides cannot be spent on alcohol, meat, or fossil fuels. Meanwhile, wealthier people get paid in ‘unrestricted’ currency.

That already exists today, food stamps/SNAP/EBT for low income and dollars for everyone else I'd just as soon give everyone dollars via UBI

Honestly, if governments paid out all social benefits in a demurrage currency which they accept for tax payments, they would save a lot of money because the velocity and therefore fiscal multiplier of a demurrage currency is very high.

Christian Gelleri made this proposal to solve the Greek crisis: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3144910

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post #149

I don't understand why FedNow and CBDC are such a big issue in the US. FedNow looks quite attractive from a fees perspective, especially when compared to PayPal and alike. Part of me wonders if the middlemen who stand to lose out might be trying to muddy the waters. It wouldn't be the first time.

> I don't understand why ~FedNow and CBDC~ BIG BROTHER are such a big issue in the US.

Fixed this for you.

I don't really want a gigantic federal agency having insight into every financial transaction I make. Hard, fucking, pass.

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post #199

Welcome to 2002 I guess? I’m surprised you couldn’t already do this. What happens when you get paid? It comes several days later?

Yes, that’s the current state of affairs. My bank receives the money in my account from my employer’s bank but it takes a couple days to clear. Right now many banks will make this money available to you right away rather than waiting for it to clear.

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What is it about CBDCs you find concerning compared to cash?

For one, unlike cash, the issuing entity can program CBDC to expire on a specific date unless utilized. Another horror use case is that they could track and limit how many hamburgers or pizzas you eat daily, weekly, monthly or yearly!

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I would love to see government IDs be available as a form of auth on the internet. It would open up the possibility of real-person communities with fewer bots and trolls. Similarly with digital payments, I'd much rather trust the government with that than some rando cryptobro of the week. There is nothing extreme about this. The government already does both functions in the analog world. It's about time they caught u…

> I would love to see government IDs be available as a form of auth on the internet. It would open up the possibility of real-person communities with fewer bots and trolls. And reintroduce all the chilling effects of knowing everything you say is on a permanent record linked to your name. I know the government wouldn't be running the sites, but they'd have activity metadata, and data breaches could be correlated to w…

Can't we have both?

Ideally, the government login/auth would be an opt-in for sites where anonymity isn't important. Facebook, for example, already has a real-name policy but still has fake accounts. Moderation alone isn't sufficient; it's hard to keep up with the number of bad actors. Limiting signups to verified humans, and possibly validating their nationality, can help with that IRT to bots and foreign agents.

It's important that the mechanism be opt-in, though, and yeah, metadata would be a problem. But realistically it's just a matter of degree... they already have access to all of that metadata today with just a subpoena or national security letter. Centralizing the login would make it easier for them to collect it, but also make it easier to audit via government mechanisms (FOIAs, etc.) compared to the opacity of private companies (which are under zero obligation to reveal how things are stored).

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>replace cash That is the most important concern. Not even crypto can beat cash for convenience and anonymity. But having a way to transfer money outside of large corporations and instead through a government regulated service is a good thing.

It makes me question why we allow government to be in charge of our money, and the price of money (interest rate meddling by govt contractor federalreserve). I suppose we grow up with it and don't question it.

Because it enables monetary policy which is in large part responsible for the most successful economic century in human history. Why do you think the "natural" interest rate is better than the feds?

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>replace cash That is the most important concern. Not even crypto can beat cash for convenience and anonymity. But having a way to transfer money outside of large corporations and instead through a government regulated service is a good thing.

It makes me question why we allow government to be in charge of our money, and the price of money (interest rate meddling by govt contractor federalreserve). I suppose we grow up with it and don't question it.

Because you get bombed if you don't accept it. There's no "we have allowed", it is "they have imposed", and you and I were born into a slave system. Thank God there are ways to escape, such as crypto and foreign accounts.

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It'd certainly be interesting if they opened it up so third-parties could use it for authentication.

Oh, please no, unless those third parties used it as an option for authentication rather than the only means of authentication.

Totally this. I should've made that explicit in my post. Thanks for pointing it out.
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