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Post by carbotect »

p-e-w wrote: post #79
chongli wrote: post #40

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a winning instance That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!

> Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. No, that's just a marketing lie. The biggest instances have politically-charged "codes of conduct" that other instances are forced to adopt or be defederated. IIRC, some instances even require those rules to be applied transitively, that is, they will defederate from your instance unless you enforce their rules on all instances that you federate…

In essence, every social media platform leads to political echo-chambers in the long run. People build their own social networks consisting of people they know personally or admire, this easily leads to being surrounded with people that share the same political bias as you.

I don't believe that healthy political discourse is even possible on social media in the first place. Especially not if the political posters are anonymous.

The advantage with Fediverse and Lemmy in particular, is the fact that creating multiple accounts on left-wing/right-wing/neutral instances is pretty easy. You can add all your Lemmy accounts to a (web) app like vger.app and voila you can now join every political discussion on Lemmy in an almost seemless experience.

Political control is thus harder in the fediverse than on centralized platforms like reddit or Twitter. But even if the platform managed to discourage political segregation, the people will still look for every possible to segregate themselves.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by unaindz »

esperent wrote: post #153
lapinot wrote: post #139

This is a particular teddit instance shutting down, not teddit the software project. Stuff is moving a lot currently and there is a bumpy road ahead, but there are several courses of action already being mapped out (scraping html, r-e the private gql api, a setting for operators to put some auth token, ..). https://github.com/libreddit/libreddit/issues/836 https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit/issues/400

However all of the instances I know of have been rate limited to the point of uselessness over the past few days.

libreddit is working on a non rate limited solution, maybe teddit too.

That being said, self host if you can, it's way faster than the public instances even without the rate limit.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by Gareth321 »

dclowd9901 wrote: post #197
Gareth321 wrote: post #91

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The common complaints are: * Low information density, even on the “classic” setting. * Auto-play videos which cannot be disabled. Only auto-play on the feed can be disabled. * A terrible video player. * Ads. * Lack of basic QOL features like swipe to upvote/save. * A terrible navigation bar at the bottom, suggesting users performs activities Reddit wants, rather than activities common for the user. In general, the ap…

Not simping for Reddit (surely they don’t need it), but I think you’re over blowing the negatives in this list. - not sure what you mean by information density. I’m not sure how much denser information could be without making the font smaller - auto play videos can absolutely be disabled (even on ads) - video player seems to work fine to me? - ads are part of their revenue stream. And as far as ads go, they’re not ev…

> not sure what you mean by information density. I’m not sure how much denser information could be without making the font smaller

The existence of the share and vote buttons under each card and comment means fewer submissions and comments are visible on the screen at any one time.

> auto play videos can absolutely be disabled (even on ads)

Only on the card view. If you tap on a video submission it will auto play.

The rest of your comments are opinions, and while I respect them, I don’t agree. I tested the app before making that reply. Maybe you should accept that different people like different things than you do?

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #204
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #189

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Wherever we want. There are options, if you don't let the media sell you the narrative that anything that's isn't as big as Twitter was at its peak is a failure. The lessons I've taken away are that it's dangerous to get too invested in any one network, and when network effects get too big they do more harm than good.

That sounds good. Could you expand on the available options in the context of getting "back to the roots of what keeps online communities from becoming cesspools?"

What I meant was smaller communities have a generally higher quality than large ones. All of the alternatives to Twitter and Reddit are smaller.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by romwell »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #185
romwell wrote: post #137

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If it doesn't look and work like https://old.reddit.com - it isn't reddit. This includes the "new" (aka default) reddit website for me.

https://mlmym.org/Lemmy.world/

OK, now this hits all the marks for me.

Thanks for sharing.

I wish there was more info about this front end, and some way to ensure that it persists.

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Post by cratermoon »

gizmo686 wrote: post #219
cratermoon wrote: post #215

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Why authenticate the device and not the user?

How does authenticating the user help? The whole point of the exercise is to block 3rd party apps. It is assumed that the user is authorized to access Reddit through the first party app, so authenticating the user doesn't solve the issue.

That's how oauth2 works. If the app isn't registered with reddit, it doesn't get to act on behalf of the user. No app secrets are necessary, just the user's login credentials, which the app never sees. The resource owner (reddit in this case) can allow or disallow based on the client_id (which is not a secret) and the redirect_uri registered for the app. Reddit, twitter, google, github, apple, and dozens of others handle apps this way.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by gizmo686 »

cratermoon wrote: post #226
gizmo686 wrote: post #219

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How does authenticating the user help? The whole point of the exercise is to block 3rd party apps. It is assumed that the user is authorized to access Reddit through the first party app, so authenticating the user doesn't solve the issue.

That's how oauth2 works. If the app isn't registered with reddit, it doesn't get to act on behalf of the user. No app secrets are necessary, just the user's login credentials, which the app never sees. The resource owner (reddit in this case) can allow or disallow based on the client_id (which is not a secret) and the redirect_uri registered for the app. Reddit, twitter, google, github, apple, and dozens of others ha…

Client_id is spoofable.

Redirect_uri helps with webapps that run on a standard web browser. However, if the client is not a web app (or, is running under a properly modified web browser), it can simply ignore the redirect.

Oauth2 does contemplate a client_secret field for client authentication. However, such a field is useless on public clients.

The oath2 spec is very explicit that client_id can not be used as a means of authenticating clients.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by mappu »

dagurp wrote: post #135
mappu wrote: post #81

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Stealth ( https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.cosmos.unreddit/ ) has an optional access mode that works by scraping old.reddit.com, that still works.

Why is not being able to log in a feature? Reddit is terrible when you can't block the mainstream subreddits.

You can still follow or block subreddits without needing to log in, only those blocks would be local to the app, not synced to your account.

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Post by phatskat »

LeFantome wrote: post #76
morserer wrote: post #65

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Not an expert, but I wonder if all the redditors who would be mad about it have already jumped ship and gone to federated alternatives, and all the redditors who are left are the ones who don't care and are watching the chaos with popcorn. If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.

What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?

Same, I mostly came to HN through search results or links out of Reddit. Once Apollo shut down I pretty much was done - I only ever used Alien Blue and when it got bought, I was off Reddit until Apollo came along.

HN is where I’ll be for my daily news stuff, and I’m actively looking for communities and forums around my more niche interests and hobbies.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by strawhatguy »

Fatnino wrote: post #218
parineum wrote: post #207

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As a person that's never used Twitter, it's as on fire as it's always been, the people yelling about it just changed but none of them are leaving. It feels a whole lot like people who threaten to move to Canada every 4 years.

Canada's on fire too

Well doesn’t matter where one stands then, if all is in flames.
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