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The combination of ChatGPT and Phind helped me, a noob with 8 months of coding knowledge, build an app with real paying users and revenue. I would have never accomplished this on my own, and now I have a working prototype to find co-founders and possible investors.
noob with 8 months of coding knowledge? That's why you have posts like: My year in tech regrets ([insertyouwebsitehere].com) 7 points by spaceman_2020 on Jan 15, 2014 | past | 3 comments
AI and the Automation of Work
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> But assume that there are jobs "high in the ladder," for amazing engineers and creatives super-charged with AI powers. IMHO such jobs won’t exist. Once AI have reach AGI level there is nothing that a human can do that the AI can’t. Might as well just add more AI. Frankly, what scares me is everyone rushing to advance AI but no one seem to be putting any effort into figuring out what to do about society once humans…
I think if they happened, and we live, which probably isn’t likely, everything will be cheap ?
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It's a very good example to understand how "AI evangelists" think. Anyone with even slightest common senes would immediately understands why it's a bad idea, but AI evangelists just can't.
It's also very... American to not think mention the absurdity of machine guns at airports, even in the hands of humans. Even if lethal force is required, would you want a security person (not a trained policeman) to "start blasting" and spraying bullets with a machine-gun?
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>> It's the last job you want to automate with "AI". Have you been at the Charles de Gaulle Airport in France? The security people there look like paratroopers[^1]. It's terrifying, and it's a reason I avoid that particular airport every time I fly. It sends the message "Paris is an unsafe place to be, we are very paranoid, blame the others, don't come here." The machine guns have no business among civilians, being w…
>Have you been at the Charles de Gaulle Airport in France? The security people there look like paratroopers[^1]. It's terrifying, and it's a reason I avoid that particular airport every time I fly. It sends the message "Paris is an unsafe place to be, we are very paranoid, blame the others, don't come here." The machine guns have no business among civilians, being with robots or people, period. In europe there's 1-2…
You're a braver person than I. I cannot imagine a circumstance where I'd be willing to even approach officers armed with machine guns, let alone ask them for anything. I'd just be itching to get out of that place ASAP.
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Chess is a leisure activity, not work, you cannot compare the impact of automation of the two. Also, chess engines did kill chess. Chess used to be a spectacle on the national stage, from 2000 up until Queen's Gambit and the following streamer boom, chess was largely dead. https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=Chess&hl...
I'm extremely skeptical of the claim that engines killed mainstream interest in chess. The trend seems to only go back to 2004, which is not long enough. My sense growing up in the 90s was that chess was a niche thing for nerds. I think it seems somewhat more mainstream now than it was then, while remaining fundamentally a niche thing for nerds :) But it seems very clear to me that it never underwent the broad collap…
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As I said, sometimes the job goes different people in different places, and there’s always frictional pain in the adjustment On the other hand, you are correct that I didn’t post data saying that unemployment hasn’t fallen, but then that is self-evident. We do not have 50% unemployment now because machines took half the jobs, and we are all of us vastly more prosperous than we were in 1800 or 1900 - again, I don’t th…
"there's always frictional pain" is a fairly big understatement. I think the assumption underlying this is that somehow stable on the other end, but I don't necessarily see post-industrial service oriented societies as stable economic realities. Having lived in one(UK), I found it as close to a capitalist dystopia as one can get.
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#227"We don’t have AGI, and without that, we have only another wave of automation, and we don’t seem to have any a priori reason why this must be more or less painful than all the others." We don't need AGI to eliminate 200+ million jobs. The output of a network driving a car can be literally two signed floating points, left-right/accelerate-brake; in hindsight we will understand there is little intelligence in going fro…
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I'm extremely skeptical of the claim that engines killed mainstream interest in chess. The trend seems to only go back to 2004, which is not long enough. My sense growing up in the 90s was that chess was a niche thing for nerds. I think it seems somewhat more mainstream now than it was then, while remaining fundamentally a niche thing for nerds :) But it seems very clear to me that it never underwent the broad collap…
My anecdotal recollection is that Deep Blue is a big part of what put chess into everyone's mind and rejuvenated the mainstream interest in playing what had previously been a nerd niche.
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#229It's not ChatGPT what we should be putting in our forecasts, but its successors. And, from what I have been reading, our AI folk are coming with better performers all the time by chaining multiple neural networks, "making modular brains", so to speak. Any argument that starts by saying "ChatGPT is very bad at X, humans will always do X," is flawed IMO. So I think that any job that can be done by a non-human is up for…
> But assume that there are jobs "high in the ladder," for amazing engineers and creatives super-charged with AI powers. IMHO such jobs won’t exist. Once AI have reach AGI level there is nothing that a human can do that the AI can’t. Might as well just add more AI. Frankly, what scares me is everyone rushing to advance AI but no one seem to be putting any effort into figuring out what to do about society once humans…
Sam Altman himself spent quite some time on the idea of basic income (2016)
https://www.businessinsider.com/inside-y-combinators-basic-i...
Re: AI and the Automation of Work
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"there's always frictional pain" is a fairly big understatement. I think the assumption underlying this is that somehow stable on the other end, but I don't necessarily see post-industrial service oriented societies as stable economic realities. Having lived in one(UK), I found it as close to a capitalist dystopia as one can get.
William Gibson described 'capitalist dystopia'. The UK has a very strong, active and centralised state - indeed much more so than the USA. It presumes that healthcare is free, that everyone has access to education, that everyone is entitled to a social security safety net, and a whole bunch more besides.
Children are ranked by intelligence at a very young age, making it so underprivileged kids are told “you’re not going to make it” at a young age and relegated to a “lower” class. London street drug sales are thus dominated by disillusioned teenagers. Entire cities lost their way of life when Thatcher ended their industries and became dead ends where heavy drug addiction is quite rampant. The population is parted into two (as is common in “post-industrial” societies) the folks who take the now exorbitant loans for education and “make it”, and those that don’t and get relegated to receiving a living wage for the rest of their lives. There is an almost palpable feeling of haves and have-nots, around housing and increasingly everything else.
Yes there is some social contract in place but the post-industrial society is not a gentle one that I’ve witnessed. I’ve seen 2/3 (south of Brazil, north of Portugal and industrial England/Scotland). They don’t really compare well to successful industrial countries like Germany.
Vaclav Smil said “with no manufacturing there is no middle class”.