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Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#221

The final straw for me and Windows was when I took the time to remove some annoying feature, cortana or edge, can't remember. Then an update replaced my work. It wasnt some 'uninstall program', but a multi-step process that involved registry editing. I don't feel like I have control over Windows.

I always love how Windows 10 shows Cortana using something like 0.1% or 0.2% of system CPU even after I disable it. Really what is it doing at that point?

Collecting telemetry to "improve your user experience".

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#222
The title is a bit editorialized. Microsoft is doing the equivalent of embedding a "Web View" in Outlook. Instead of having some stale custom build of MSIE, they're using Edge because it's already installed and they're in control of the API and its compatibility. They're also offering a setting to disable this behavior.

The links don't "open in Edge". That would suggest they launch the Edge app (instead of the default browser) and open the link in that. Instead the links open in a pane in Outlook that embeds Edge (presumably with the same settings and session context as the actual app). This also only affects the desktop Outlook app, not the far more modern and less clunky web version. I genuinely wonder how many HN users commenting on this story actually use desktop Outlook app or know someone who does and doesn't also use Edge (or their IT department's mandated out-of-date copy of Firefox ESR).

Now, bear in mind I'm saying this from a position that is in favor of splitting up Microsoft (and Google and maybe Apple). The feature is certainly useful if viewed in isolation, but it is in effect anti-competitive behavior because even if they wanted, they couldn't provide generic integration of your browser of choice the same way and the new behavior is opt-out rather than opt-in. It's bad, but let's not pretend it's worse and more deceitful than it truly is, just because you already don't like Microsoft (and presumably don't use their products).

This is probably a genuine usability improvement. It's also anti-competitive. Both of these things can be true at the same time.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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post #132

I don't understand how Microsoft benefits from getting everyone to use their web browser? Is it all to spy on people's browsing habits?

The more people use Edge the more value there will be in Microsoft creating (and encouraging others to create) web sites that only work in Edge.

Just like what happened before Firefox saved us from the Internet Explorer 6 monoculture.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#226

I have a Windows box just for playing a few games, but even for that Windows is freaking rubbish. It keeps asking me to sign in with some BS Windows Live account! How painful is the Steam on Linux/Proton experience on average?

> How painful is the Steam on Linux/Proton experience on average?

Its way better than 2,3 years ago and at this time is was already useable. Give it a try.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#228
post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying all ios browsers are just safari with a different UI?

Yes, they must be because Apple doesn't allow a Javascript JIT engine to be released in the app store.

Doesn’t that mean alternative browser engines are permitted, albeit they might perform slowly?

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

#229

Its getting worse everywhere: some things I've noticed: Mobil Safari seems to be using the search bar to hijack my google search (Particularly for locations which open in apple maps) Although I'm mostly linux these days I went to install an alternative browser on a windows machine (using edge to download). I mentioned this in another post, but edge seems to watch for "chrome" or "firefox" downloads and politely remin…

WSL2 in Windows means you can just run a Debian underneath and launch a non-snap Firefox from there and have it appears in Windows.

Now you get the benefit of Windows power management (and that beautiful laptop battery life) but a web browser Microsoft isn't going to mess with.

This sounds hilarious were it not the way I actually work.

PS: I'll also mention that VSCode from Windows to WSL2 + Debian is a mind-blowingly wonderful thing, I don't know how it works but it's near magical as a dev environment when you need a full Linux but like having battery life.

Re: Outlook now ignores Windows' Default Browser and opens links in Edge by default

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post #202

Devil’s advocate: Microsoft, an ethically unclean company, is justified in using this tactic to compete with Google, because (a) Google did it to acquire Chrome users in the first place, and (b) breaking the browser hegemony at a user mindshare level (not rendering engine level) is worth some UX pain. Note on (a): some will argue a difference between Google advertising Chrome on Google’s property (something they coul…

When did Google open browser links by default in Chrome instead of the system default?

This isn't about advertising, it's about not following system defaults.

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