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Re: Apollo Back end just made public

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All this backlash is going to kill Reddit. It will take a thousand little cuts for sure, but it started the moment they announced their ludicrous pricing.

I don't think it will. It'll IPO just fine, make their shareholders wealthy and become another millquetoast advertiser friendly walled garden for your average internet user while the jilted original users go and find another platform, which will in turn IPO just fine, make their shareholders wealthy and the cycle repeats forever. The average internet user by the way, is statistically not you reading this, doesn't rea…

Reddit will go the way of Twitter. By that I mean business as usual.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

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Hi all! I wrote this code, and for educational purposes, I’d be more than happy to answer any questions. A gentle reminder that the whole history is here for show. This is very vulnerable — you can see the times I was in a rush, or when I took my time. You’ll find my mistakes. Either way, all I ask is please be kind. I know there are 50 things I could have done better, but this is a product of the reality at the time…

Why not point Apollo at a Reddit alternative, or use the open-source code for Reddit (or code like this https://github.com/libertysoft3/saidit) instead of shutting it down?

If Apollo's users (or a good percentage of them) moved over to an alternative platform, that would be poetic justice, at least.

To go even further, all the app devs should get together and create a new platform or pick one Reddit alternative and point all their apps at it.

That way it would be even more likely to get critical mass quickly. 3 weeks should be enough time to come up with a coordinated plan. Don't let Reddit push you out -- push them out and let your users stick with the app they love.

Reddit is only its users, nothing else. They don't own the users' loyalty -- the apps do. Take advantage of that and teach them a lesson by pointing the apps and users elsewhere!

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#224
post #8

There's a Reddit CEO AMA later today: https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/144ho2x/join_our_ce... Can't see it being anything other than a PR disaster for them, unless they change their stance.

> Can't see it being anything other than a PR disaster for them, unless they change their stance.

You were correct

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#225
post #189

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It’s not just about users, it’s about principles.

I have no doubt some users will leave, but I’m not sure what principles have to do with whether or not it would be the end of Reddit. Unless you mean in some subjective, personal sense.

Think of old.reddit.com as a canary. If it goes, then you know some shit is going down and Reddit will never truly be the same going forward. Even if you don’t use it, that should be the signal to leave if you haven’t already.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#226
post #211

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The Reddit API usage is as efficient as it can be, server wise, although I’d like to be proven wrong by them. As far as the app goes, an average of ~330 reqs/user/day is pretty good, considering they built the platform budgeting for 86,400.

Yeah, every time I see that number trotted out I’m just like “and the point is…?” If there’s an issue with the cost to process that many calls I’m much more suspicious of inefficiency on the API side than the client. Those numbers seem very reasonable.

I think the point of inefficiency was that Apollo could say money and make the costs less than they would be by doing less requests. If someone is saying X is too much it's a valid rebuttal it wouldn't be X but Y if you made a few changes.

I don't think Reddit cares about the number of requests. They just want paid. They weren't caring before when it was free.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

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post #112
post #52

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I haven’t seen a compelling OS alternative to Reddit yet. The ones I’ve seen have all either been big on decentralization at the expense of long load times and a lot of UI complexity, or big on 4chan-style dialogue with little moderation. Neither of those sounds like a great migration path. IMO this is the same problem “migrate off Twitter” efforts had.

The effort I've seen pointed to a "recommended lemmy instances" page which had a wide range of things from the anodyne to the horrific. I can't think of much else that could have done a better job at putting me off from ever touching Lemmy than some of the descriptions of federations it "recommended". Also, by being open about how many people were federating in each community, it also made it clear that even the bigg…

I don't think it's too bad, I see like one loli server but everything else looks reasonable.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#228
post #18

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I don't think it will. It'll IPO just fine, make their shareholders wealthy and become another millquetoast advertiser friendly walled garden for your average internet user while the jilted original users go and find another platform, which will in turn IPO just fine, make their shareholders wealthy and the cycle repeats forever. The average internet user by the way, is statistically not you reading this, doesn't rea…

Same. Last night I felt a sense of grief that all this immense knowledge & the tools to aggregate it have been fully captured by the bland sanitized values of ad networks. Even today I can’t find answers on Google to my daily inquiries, but will find it on Reddit. If there is an internet worth building, it’s not on ads. But we all knew that from the start. Here’s to those working on the federated web, maybe the outco…

I'm beginning to explore the fediverse more and have resolved to find an appropriate place to become part of it somehow. I don't think the fediverse as we know it today is the solution but instinctively I feel it's our best way right now to find our way there.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#229
post #6

Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36256215

Thanks. Relates to the Github repository, which is source available. Looks like there is no license.

> Looks like there is no license.

No one said they were open-sourcing it. It's just published for information/transparency.

Re: Apollo Back end just made public

#230

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Same. Last night I felt a sense of grief that all this immense knowledge & the tools to aggregate it have been fully captured by the bland sanitized values of ad networks. Even today I can’t find answers on Google to my daily inquiries, but will find it on Reddit. If there is an internet worth building, it’s not on ads. But we all knew that from the start. Here’s to those working on the federated web, maybe the outco…

I'm beginning to explore the fediverse more and have resolved to find an appropriate place to become part of it somehow. I don't think the fediverse as we know it today is the solution but instinctively I feel it's our best way right now to find our way there.

I share your view - good luck on your adventure!
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